There are no results for tank man • Hacker News Board

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by samspenc » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 6:55 PM UTC

Brendinooo wrote: post #73

sounds wrote: post #5

In case you're wondering why this is news, there are numerous obvious, worldwide, relevant results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/25-years-later-tank-man-st... (Note: Microsoft owns this page!) https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/remembering-the-t...

>Note: Microsoft owns this page! Microsoft does not have a stake in MSNBC anymore.

Wow I didn't realize this, but it appears to be true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSNBC

"Microsoft divested itself of its stakes in the MSNBC channel in 2005 and in msnbc.com in July 2012."

I thought their Edge browser was still promoting links to MSNBC, but looking at Edge now, I see the links are to MSN.com which is a completely different thing and actually a Microsoft news portal.

Interesting the news channel is still called MSNBC though even though Microsoft doesn't have any ownership in it anymore.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by toxik » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 6:56 PM UTC

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #94

toxik wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So disappointing that a search engine like DuckDuckGo would fall prey to this sort of censorship.

DDG uses Bing for results I’ve heard? So they’re falling prey to the censorship of their provider.

Right, which is an implementation detail to some extent

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by j_barbossa » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 6:56 PM UTC

Every time I see posts like this or about Taiwan I'm happily upvoting. I'm a big fan of the Streisand effect.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by ilamont » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 6:57 PM UTC

MindGods wrote: post #88

dang wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post is on the front page right now (edit: and now also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27396783 ) - that's the opposite of "disappearing". I'd have to see links to the other ones. Here's one tip for you guys, from years-long, world-weary experience: if you're coming up with sensational explanations in breathless excitement, it's almost certainly untrue. Edit: ok, here's what happened. Users flagged https:/…

Here you go: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27394925 [Flagged] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27395028 [Marked as dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27394943 [Currently on page 2]

dang 27 minutes ago [–]

[flagged] on submissions nearly always means users flagged it. This is in the FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#flag

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27397158

Re: There are no results for tank man

#105

Post by dang » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 6:57 PM UTC

falcolas wrote: post #20

rcoveson wrote: post #2

Original HN post flagged: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27394925

Given the outsized effect of flags in comparison to upvotes, I’m of the opinion that Chinese national HN members, and some subset of “no politics evar” crowd is more than enough to flag these to just shy of being dead.

Please keep nationalistic attacks off this forum. You have no idea the sort of pressure that users with minority perspectives because of their national/ethnic backgrounds are under on this majority-Western forum. People have literally been hounded off this site after getting attacked for this. Is that the kind of community you, or any of us, want to be part of? Of course it is not. Therefore, don't include swipes like that in your comments here, and remember that other users are just as human as you are, even if they have different backgrounds than you do.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by crazygringo » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 6:58 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #72

kian wrote: post #45

@dang, I think we need an explanation for why Tank Man-related content on Hacker News has been disappearing all day. I usually trust HN to be a bastion of free speech, and if there isn't some kind of proportionate response here, I don't believe myself or many others here will be able to see it that way going forward. EDIT: Thank you for your response, dang. Hacker News is a special place, which is why we have respond…

This post is on the front page right now (edit: and now also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27396783 ) - that's the opposite of "disappearing". I'd have to see links to the other ones. Here's one tip for you guys, from years-long, world-weary experience: if you're coming up with sensational explanations in breathless excitement, it's almost certainly untrue. Edit: ok, here's what happened. Users flagged https:/…

I don't doubt posts are flagged by users as opposed to moderation.

But at the same time, it also seems like flagging can be too easily abused, and can lead to accusations of censorship and distrust. (Though I've certainly seen it work well in cases, especially for false/defamatory articles.)

But it really does seem like we're at the point where longstanding users need to also be able to vouch for flagged stories, or something like that. And even if that doesn't automatically restore the story, it could at least show a label like "pending moderator decision" or something.

At a time where trust in the media and authority is low... a little bit of greater transparency might go a long way. :)

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by dang » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 6:59 PM UTC

GuB-42 wrote: post #87

surround wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many are wondering why this was marked as dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27395028

Just speculation: maybe a dupe of a dead topic.

No, we'd only mark a story a [dupe] if it got significant attention in a different thread. I haven't heard back yet, but the most likely explanation is that a moderator (correctly) thought that one Tank Man story on the HN front page was enough.

Edit: oh - I think that one was actually marked a [dupe] by software. I'd need to double check this, but if so, it's because it interpreted the link to the other thread as a signal of dupiness.

Edit 2: yes, that's what happened. When a submission is heavily flagged and there is a single comment pointing to a different HN thread, the software interprets that as a strong signal of dupiness and puts dupe on the submission. It actually works super well most of the time. In this case it backfired because the comment was arguing the opposite.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by r_u_erect » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 7:00 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #76

belter wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good evening Beijing, what time is it there now... 2 AM ? Working late for the social credit ?

You can't break the site guidelines like this, regardless of how bad another comment is or you feel it is. Perhaps you don't owe the other commenter better, but you owe this community better if you're posting to it. No more of this, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You can’t be serious… nobody “owes” this “community” anything.

Bro.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by InitialLastName » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 7:00 PM UTC

toxik wrote: post #81

CoolGuySteve wrote: post #8

Hmmm, DuckDuckGo image search shows some people standing next to tanks but not the tank man photo. I guess it makes sense since DDG uses bing for their search tech but it's pretty disappointing that you can get uncensored searches or privacy but not both.

So disappointing that a search engine like DuckDuckGo would fall prey to this sort of censorship.

Doesn't DDG mostly rely on Bing for its results? So a result that's suspiciously missing from Bing would be likely to also be missing from DDG, unless their indexing and crawling is more comprehensive than I thought.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by drdeca » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 7:01 PM UTC

jasode wrote: post #46

I'm guessing it is a "hand tuned" search result tweak because just appending "china" returns a few images: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=tank%20man%20china (For those who don't see results, this is my screen grab of the above at 18:12 UTC : https://imgur.com/a/3tzPV49 ) Also, "Tiananmen Square massacre" still returns some image results: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Tiananmen+Square+massac... Therefore,…

Indeed, if you search for “tanpk man” (without quotes) it says “including results for tank man” and has many pictures of tanks and men (but none of tank man...) So, it clearly is associating some images with “tank man”, it just doesn’t show results if your search is for “tank man”