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No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by wombat-man »

morpheos137 wrote: post #53
wombat-man wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah I think it's more likely that it's some kind of experimental propulsion test that is sometimes being noticed. Like they wandered into a room above their clearance level or something. Someone on earth made these.

Can you provide an example of a past technology that was unimagined by mainstream physicists and that was sucessfully implemented in secret and kept secret for decades? I can't think of anything. Fission bombs were widely believed to be physically possible, were developed in secret but used publicly within several years. I do not beleive the military has some secret antigravity, inertia modifying technology or warp d…

it could be some kind of new tech, or maybe an illusion.

I really don't know enough about military history to answer the question but if a research lab had some kind of groundbreaking tech like this it would make sense to me for them to try to keep it under wraps.

It does seem unlikely that they'd be able to keep the secret this well though. I'll give you that.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by yummypaint »

gfodor wrote: post #149
etrautmann wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These both strike me as fun but unlikely explanations if applying an occam's razor lens

I'm specifically referring to the explanation for why, all of a sudden, these disclosures are happening in a way they didn't for decades. Conditional on the fact they are actual disclosures and not a complex conspiratorial psyop/lies/etc.

It may be as simple as the old guard retiring. The timing lines up with the most resistant people in authority leaving or dying off. Many recent leaks are also from people who kept their mouths shut most of their career and then decided to spill once they reached enough security in their retirement.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by Animats »

ChrisGranger wrote: post #150
Animats wrote: post #31

I wonder if we get good data in the report. The flybys of U.S. Navy ships had to have produced lots of sensor data. In particular, synchronized radar data, or electro-optical data if we're really lucky, from several ships in a task group would resolve many ambiguities. Most positional illusions break down when seen from multiple viewpoints. Some of this stuff suggests someone fooling around with drones. But whose dro…

Everyone seems to point to nation states, but there are literally thousands of billionaires in the world. Maybe an individual with really deep pockets is having a laugh.

Probably not even that expensive.

Skymagic [1], the drone show company, could create many of the effects seen.

[1] https://vimeo.com/skymagicshow

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by gfodor »

walexander wrote: post #88
gfodor wrote: post #32

They exist. They are real. They aren't ours. They aren't an adversary's, because a) the military would never admit it if that were possible and b) if it were the case the adversary would have already taken over the world. There's no evidence they were made by aliens, leprechauns, or ghosts. But there's evidence they were made. Not that they are swamp gas or funny clouds. So lets get past that, and realize there's som…

"Self-replicating probes could exhaustively explore a galaxy the size of the Milky Way in as little as a million years" - Wikipedia [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox ] The possibility of these things being extraterrestrial in origin does not seem that farfetched, honestly. If you assume something like a Von Neumann probe [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replicating_spacecraft#Vo... ] to be possible (a…

If you assume a civilization (or AI singularity) eventually stops worrying about destroying itself, and the bulk of the risk to it stems from external civilizations unleashing galaxy destroying technologies (perhaps unintentionally), it seems logical that if a) such probes are technologically feasible and b) life can originate in places beyond Earth with some meaningful probability that you should expect to find a galaxy-wide network of autonomous probes specifically engineered to cut down the blast radius of these kinds of existentially risky technologies. Odds are, if that's what these are, they are old, autonomous, and should present evidence they are here to primarily prevent our mistakes from leaking across the galaxy, and secondarily perhaps to help preserve our civilization in those scenarios insofar as it is not in conflict with the primary objective.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by gfodor »

firefoxd wrote: post #108

Someone posted this video here then deleted it. (I'm pretty sure he was an alien) It's just bokeh: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-r2oaQWmqkk

This video is easily debunked and it's weird that it is in the mix because its the Nimitz report that is interesting.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by WalterBright »

swebs wrote: post #113
WalterBright wrote: post #56

It's hilarious watching CNN reporters pushing this UFO speculation. Don't they realize this even further besmirches any credibility they have left on other topics, like all their conspiracy theories? I remember when UFO sightings were relegated to the tabloids like The National Enquire. CNN has sunk to tabloid level.

Every outlet was reporting on this, at least when it was big news a year ago.

Every one that did should be ashamed of itself. And using that as an excuse for other outlets doesn't fly.

Yesterday, CNN was flogging the UFO tabloid crap. What do you think that says about CNN's credibility about other topics? Don't you want to laugh when they unctuously say "follow the science"?

Note that personally I believe we should follow the science. But I laugh when CNN says it. Their pundits have no idea what science actually is.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by thelastinuit »

gfodor wrote: post #145
md_ wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't get me wrong: I am baffled by some of the reports (especially, as you note, those that have multiple witnesses or multiple independent pieces of evidence). But of course alien civilizations—or (non-human?) co-terrestrial civilizations—are such an extraordinary hypothesis that I do not see why they should be treated as more plausible than (as you note) something like shared delusions. Let me expand upon that a b…

I love the way you are thinking about this, and you're a really solid skeptic! I hope we get more people questioning this the way you have, instead of saying it's clouds :)

Any of them is... terrifing. damn. i hope it's just nothing.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by WalterBright »

tombert wrote: post #137
WalterBright wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but Can’t Rule It Out, Either Can't prove a negative.

To be clear, I don't think these are alien, BUT... You might not be able to "prove a negative" in the purely scientific sense, but you can rule out most options to effectively "prove a negative". If, for example, Russia came out and took credit for these things, and showed working prototypes of these crafts, would that "prove" (in the truest, mathematical sense of the word) that they aren't aliens? No, I suppose Russ…

Can you "rule out" I'm an alien?

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by WalterBright »

gfodor wrote: post #133
WalterBright wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but Can’t Rule It Out, Either Can't prove a negative.

It's certainly possible to disprove they are alien. By not ruling it out, it's saying there is no present evidence to reject that hypothesis, which is a meaningful thing to say. It would be trivially rejectable if we had any intel it was another country, for example.

You have no evidence that Joe Biden is not a pod person. Is that a meaningful thing to say?
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