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No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by Apocryphon »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #80
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They exist. They are real. They aren't ours. They aren't an adversary's, because a) the military would never admit it if that were possible and b) if it were the case the adversary would have already taken over the world. can't speak to a), but as for b), it is possible that what they are and what they appear to be are very different things. Imagine, say, a drone swarm with a very flat profile that could turn their…

> it is possible that what they are and what they appear to be are very different things Could also be a novel stealth mechanism screwing with our sensors.

Imagine if there was some sort of exotic mechanism to "hack" radar.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by Apocryphon »

radicaldreamer wrote: post #22

They seem associated with the ocean as well, many reports of the craft originating or disappearing into the ocean ("transmedium" vehicles). Is it possible that there's some form of life that originates in the ocean, has evolved intelligence that is in a totally different paradigm than us, and this is their equivalent of going to "space"? It makes sense in the macro-sense as well as we're very lucky to not be a water…

What if it's a Pacific Rim situation where the transidmensional rift just happens to be located in the deep sea

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by hliyan »

Not all the observations are explainable. However, if you take away one observation -- the claims about high-g acceleration and supersonic flight -- the following seems to fit: battery powered drones with regular (possibly quad) rotors, sea-launched (possibly from vessels disguised as merchant vessels) by a foreign power to observe US military.

This would explain: FLIR footage and close range radar, but no contact on long range radar. Would also explain why primarily Navy pilots have observed these objects while commercial pilots don't, and why they seem to be seldom seen over land. Also explains why all the sightings seem to be around the continental US. Also explains the lack of exhaust plumes. Also explains the lack of sonic booms (I know of no way a solid object could cross the sound barrier without a boom). Multiple such drones might also explain why they appear to travel faster than the fighters -- perhaps they are observing two identical craft.

All one has to do is discount the high-g claims as embellishment by pilots. I could be wrong, but I know of no way to account for all the observations.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by Apocryphon »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #44
user-the-name wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't need to. It's easy enough to view the videos and confirm that this is, in fact, what they are.

> It doesn't need to. It's easy enough to view the videos and confirm So the U.S. government is going through the trouble of declassification to reveal the limits of its sensors to adversaries? From what we can tell, the reports categorise them as UFOs. That implies a non-artefact theory.

This could all be a feint to claim their sensors are weaker than they really are.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by tejohnso »

The purpose of the report is not to conclude whether any of this unexplained behaviour is due to alien craft. The purpose is to get the information out, stop pretending it doesn't exist, and provide a platform to move forward without the lies and the coverups. At least, that's what I gathered. Whether they actually manage to do that remains to be seen. It's already been a shocking past few years in terms of what has been admitted to and reported.

We already have the navy on record validating the authenticity of some of the footage, combined with multi-sensor data and eye witness reports indicating something very strange is going on. We also have several government officials who are on record that they are genuinely concerned. What we need now is transparency so that a multiple discipline, open investigation can be carried out publicly without stonewalling and obfuscation.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by gfodor »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #74
gfodor wrote: post #32

They exist. They are real. They aren't ours. They aren't an adversary's, because a) the military would never admit it if that were possible and b) if it were the case the adversary would have already taken over the world. There's no evidence they were made by aliens, leprechauns, or ghosts. But there's evidence they were made. Not that they are swamp gas or funny clouds. So lets get past that, and realize there's som…

> They exist. They are real. They aren't ours. They aren't an adversary's, because a) the military would never admit it if that were possible and b) if it were the case the adversary would have already taken over the world. can't speak to a), but as for b), it is possible that what they are and what they appear to be are very different things. Imagine, say, a drone swarm with a very flat profile that could turn their…

this is a genuinely interesting theory but it does seem like the kind of theory that the military would also imagine and, with the data they have, be able to falsify.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by gfodor »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #80
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They exist. They are real. They aren't ours. They aren't an adversary's, because a) the military would never admit it if that were possible and b) if it were the case the adversary would have already taken over the world. can't speak to a), but as for b), it is possible that what they are and what they appear to be are very different things. Imagine, say, a drone swarm with a very flat profile that could turn their…

> it is possible that what they are and what they appear to be are very different things Could also be a novel stealth mechanism screwing with our sensors.

this isn't a radar-only phenomenon. such a hack would need to involve fooling human senses, visual, and radar.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by andiareso »

radicaldreamer wrote: post #22

They seem associated with the ocean as well, many reports of the craft originating or disappearing into the ocean ("transmedium" vehicles). Is it possible that there's some form of life that originates in the ocean, has evolved intelligence that is in a totally different paradigm than us, and this is their equivalent of going to "space"? It makes sense in the macro-sense as well as we're very lucky to not be a water…

I really like this reasoning. It's fun to think of a whole civilization evolving in an alternate way to us having a total different set of problems to solve.

Electricity generation, vehicle transport, dwellings, etc.

Probably completely ridiculous but would make a good movie.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by NoGravitas »

hliyan wrote: post #83
swader999 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Those descriptions are a tectonic shift on the topic from the US government." Feels like we are being primed for something new to be afraid of and give our treasure to in defense of. Aliens being non-peaceful fails so many logic tests though. I hope the script doesn't go that way.

On Earth, every time an advanced civilization encountered a primitive one, it didn't go well for the primitive one.

Ah, but it's different at the stage of development required to organize interstellar travel:

https://cominsitu.wordpress.com/2017/05/08/flying-saucers-th...

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