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No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

#81
post #55

A lot of these videos have already been debunked as being visual artifacts from the cameras or parallax. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7Fqbsrrm8

As far as I can tell, this is confirming at least 120 sightings as UFOs in the literal sense – rather than visual artefacts.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

#82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Those descriptions are a tectonic shift on the topic from the US government." Feels like we are being primed for something new to be afraid of and give our treasure to in defense of. Aliens being non-peaceful fails so many logic tests though. I hope the script doesn't go that way.

>Aliens being non-peaceful fails logic Um, why?

Here's a fun answer: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/JustForFun/HowToInvad...

Just the "Motivation and Planning" category will reveal several reasons. My favorite is that there is almost no reason to go through the trouble of colonizing our planet, if you need any of our resources you can mine asteroids and no one will fight back. Unless of course the aliens are Evil.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

#83

The NY Times Headline is much more informative and interesting: > U.S. Finds No Evidence of Alien Technology in Flying Objects, but Can’t Rule It Out, Either Sub header: > A new report concedes that much about the observed phenomena remains difficult to explain, including their acceleration, as well as ability to change direction and submerge. Those descriptions are a tectonic shift on the topic from the US governmen…

"Those descriptions are a tectonic shift on the topic from the US government." Feels like we are being primed for something new to be afraid of and give our treasure to in defense of. Aliens being non-peaceful fails so many logic tests though. I hope the script doesn't go that way.

On Earth, every time an advanced civilization encountered a primitive one, it didn't go well for the primitive one.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

#84
post #37

They seem associated with the ocean as well, many reports of the craft originating or disappearing into the ocean ("transmedium" vehicles). Is it possible that there's some form of life that originates in the ocean, has evolved intelligence that is in a totally different paradigm than us, and this is their equivalent of going to "space"? It makes sense in the macro-sense as well as we're very lucky to not be a water…

We may not know all there is to know about the oceans (or much else really), but I highly doubt we'd have missed an entire advanced civilization of the type you're implying.

I would argue against that as there are very sophisticated aquatic life documented living at depths very hard for us to get to.

Like imagine beings that can live at the very bottom of the ocean where the pressure is so high that it would just be too difficult for our devices to reach, but are themselves evolved enough to handle it :| IDK it's at least an interesting thought.

[EDIT]: We've only reached the "Challenger Depth" (bottom) a few times throughout history and they weren't huge mapping-type missions. It could also stand to reason they would build under the surface to avoid predators and such. It's a fun thought nevertheless. Much more fun to think about than just artifacts on a lens.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

#85
post #32

They exist. They are real. They aren't ours. They aren't an adversary's, because a) the military would never admit it if that were possible and b) if it were the case the adversary would have already taken over the world. There's no evidence they were made by aliens, leprechauns, or ghosts. But there's evidence they were made. Not that they are swamp gas or funny clouds. So lets get past that, and realize there's som…

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Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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They seem associated with the ocean as well, many reports of the craft originating or disappearing into the ocean ("transmedium" vehicles). Is it possible that there's some form of life that originates in the ocean, has evolved intelligence that is in a totally different paradigm than us, and this is their equivalent of going to "space"? It makes sense in the macro-sense as well as we're very lucky to not be a water…

Can't imagine those water aliens would be too pleased with all the plastic we've been dumping down there.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

#87

The NY Times Headline is much more informative and interesting: > U.S. Finds No Evidence of Alien Technology in Flying Objects, but Can’t Rule It Out, Either Sub header: > A new report concedes that much about the observed phenomena remains difficult to explain, including their acceleration, as well as ability to change direction and submerge. Those descriptions are a tectonic shift on the topic from the US governmen…

"Those descriptions are a tectonic shift on the topic from the US government." Feels like we are being primed for something new to be afraid of and give our treasure to in defense of. Aliens being non-peaceful fails so many logic tests though. I hope the script doesn't go that way.

> Feels like we are being primed for something new to be afraid of and give our treasure to in defense of. Aliens being non-peaceful fails so many logic tests though.

Heh. Are you really suggesting that after decades of disinterest, the US government is releasing this in order to...make people afraid of aliens? In order to increase taxse?

Or do I misunderstand what you mean?

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

#88
post #32

They exist. They are real. They aren't ours. They aren't an adversary's, because a) the military would never admit it if that were possible and b) if it were the case the adversary would have already taken over the world. There's no evidence they were made by aliens, leprechauns, or ghosts. But there's evidence they were made. Not that they are swamp gas or funny clouds. So lets get past that, and realize there's som…

"Self-replicating probes could exhaustively explore a galaxy the size of the Milky Way in as little as a million years" - Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox]

The possibility of these things being extraterrestrial in origin does not seem that farfetched, honestly. If you assume something like a Von Neumann probe [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replicating_spacecraft#Vo...] to be possible (and I totally think one day we would make those), then the idea that someone else has already made one an that they are sitting around watching us, is not something that should be so easily dismissed.

No telling what these are, but I think the people assuming that some how human visual confirmation, video confirmation, multiple radar confirmation (on ship and in air), as well as Infrared confirmation of the same should shut up the "it's a camera artifact" or "sailor spinning tales" folks. Anyone care to do the math on how such a byzantine fault tolerant system could fail in so many different distinct cases over the last decade?

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

#90

Is this really a surprise to anybody? UFO means "unidentified flying object", not "alien".

In terms of hollywood and pop culture, UFO 100% means alien. It's a great example of a piece of niche jargon getting a non-niche meaning, which ends up kinda taking over the word.
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