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Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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None the less people do seem to make poor decisions when it comes to commuting.

This comment suggests you are from a generation where there was a choice

Which generation doesn't have a choice? I'm a millenial and don't understand if this generalization is at me, genx, boomers or those damn new kids the zoomers. When I bought a house I was able to buy anything that was on sale and fit my budget except for retirement communities with a 55+ age restriction

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

I do not care about being competitve. I work so I can draw a salary to fund my life. That's it. I don't care about constantly climbing a ladder. I don't care about advancing my career for the sake of advancing my career. I just want to enjoy my life, and working for a living is just my means to that end. If I'm making enough to be comfortable, I don't care about chasing a promotion or getting ahead of people. I can't…

I have the same view of work but have the opposite view of being in the office. The small friendships and camaraderie make the work a lot more enjoyable for me.

Hopefully coming out of this there'll be a mix of companies. Some fully remote for people like yourself and some mostly in the office for folk like me.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Jesus Christ. I eat well and spend maybe $400 a month on groceries and food. I’ve heard that Google recruiters attempt to con potential employees into some ridiculous assessment of the “free” food as a compensation benefit with numbers like those that you posited above. I can’t imagine valuing daily meals that highly.

I'm glad others are shocked by that $60/day on food. I would say food takes up the largest percentage of my expenses and $60 is easily 5 days worth of food for two.

You don't factor the electricity/water for cooking & cleaning and the time spent doing it(calculate it by the hourly rate of a mid-range cook assuming you are there).

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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How is it that some people are so careful about being diverse that they end up being incredibly racist, and yet not notice it ?!

Because to be anti-racist you need to implement present discrimination to make up for past discrimination. It’s in their literature and literally a tenant in Kendi’s popular book “How to be an Anti-Racist” that countless diversity councils in corporations suggested their employees read during last years moral panic. Civil rights violation? Probably.

Anti-Racism is a hard concept for me to grasp. When I was growing up we were taught to judge everyone by the content of their character. To me it made sense, why care about what people look like if they are good people. But now that view is considered racist and judging people by what they look like is "back in style" so to speak.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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"Cook wrapped up the memo by saying that he's looking forward to seeing employee faces. "I know I'm not alone in missing the hum of activity, the energy, creativity and collaboration of our in-person meetings and the sense of community we've all built," he wrote." CEO's all spout the same nonsense. The majority of people work because they need to earn money. They're not working to make a new 'family' or change the wo…

> The majority of people work because they need to earn money

That might be the reason they work at all, but that's not why you work for Apple, or a similar company.

And I don't even think "people work because they need to earn money" is completely true, in the sense that most people, definitely people with relatively advanced jobs like at Apple, would prefer working to not working, even if someone gave them free money every month. People enjoy the intellectual challenge, the structure, the community etc.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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I'm obviously an outlier, but I live an 8 minute (peaceful) bike ride from work. I hate commuting, so I optimized for that for this job, and working from home last year was absolutely a net negative for me. Distracting kids, poor work-life balance, more expensive (AC, food, water, etc). I think the lesson here is, some companies can be remote-first, some companies can be in-person, and different employees will prefer…

I don't understand how so many people in this thread are saying they spend more on food while working from home. How is this possible? Does it vary by country? In Australia at least it is orders of magnitude less expensive to prepare food at home purchased from a supermarket than it is to buy food whilst out an about. Or are these people working for companies that provide food or something. I just don't get it.

In my case, and this is admittedly unusual, I drank Huel consistently at work. I then eat a traditional meal (or two ) in the evening. Since WFH I only really have Huel in the morning since the oven is just there and I have cravings. I've also generally eat more due to eating my feelings but that is pandemic specific. I've also spent a lot on coffee shops just to get out the flat.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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I maybe in the minority in this comments section but I genuinely enjoy working from office. I enjoy the social aspects. And commute never bothered me, albeit max commute for me was 45 mins (in the bay area). The only downside that I always felt was parking situation. Lot of my friends feel the same about office work. I believe going forward there will be companies (and employees) in 2 camps -- remote first and hybrid…

> I maybe in the minority in this comments section but I genuinely enjoy working from office.

I'm going to respond tongue-in-cheek: I also like working from office -- when it's empty or barely occupied, and I can control my whole environment and decide myself when to interrupt my work.

Getting away from a tight apartment, disturbing the routine a bit is nice.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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This is going to backfire hard as soon as one disgruntled employee decides that, when faced with the choice of being forced to come into an office they can't stand being in or losing their source of income and ending up homeless, takes the third option of bringing an AR-15 to work, shooting up their workplace, and turning the gun on themselves. Desperate people do desperate things, and mark my words, we will see a ma…

That feels... unrealistic. Apple pays well, and the folks who work there are likely able to find another job like... tomorrow. I doubt there are many financially desperate, mentally unstable people working there. That said, I suppose it could occur at some other type of job. But pinning that on the CEOs is really unfair. People had a job presumably where they went into an office. The companies decided, or were forced…

Apple doesn't actually pay well compared to competitors, I think most people are taking a haircut on their salaries in order to work there, because of the brand, the corporate culture etc.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

> * I save money by spending less on food, drinks, and electricity.

Weirdly for me the food and drink is the opposite. Maybe if you're lucky enough to have an office that provides full lunch meals for you but I haven't experienced that yet.

I really enjoyed work lunches but it usually meant 4/5 days a week was going out with colleagues to local restaurants and paying restaurant food prices.

At home I can make a sandwich with stuff from my fridge without the allure of "well everyone else is going out for sushi don't you want to join?"

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Commutes also cost the one thing we can't get back; time.

If you use public transport, you can regain that time. In the UK you can get a seat on most rush hour trains, and even standing up on the Tube you can read a book, listen to a podcast, do your email etc. It's also good thinking time. Driving a car yep you're absolutely right, but if you commute via car a long distance for a considerable amount of time I think you're crazy.

> In the UK you can get a seat on most rush hour trains

I don't what commuter line you're coming in on but it must be one with seats on the roof.

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