Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by Apocryphon » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 5:54 AM UTC

tyrust wrote: post #279

luffapi wrote: post #41

There’s something hyper draconian about a billionaire CEO demanding everyone return to the office so he can see their faces. Apple execs have enriched themselves by capturing way more profit than regular employees (Apple engineering pay is average/low average). This is overstepping. Not only will any company that insists on a return to the office lose employees, they’re also loudly signaling their disdain and it’s go…

I mean, they are being paid to do this.

Perhaps then they should offer raises across the board.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by square_usual » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 5:55 AM UTC

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #151

Nbox9 wrote: post #51

I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

Is Apple forbidding people from coming into the office more than 3 days? AFAIK at Google, you can go everyday if you want.

No - TFA mentions teams can come in all five days if they want to.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 5:55 AM UTC

dm8 wrote: post #65

I maybe in the minority in this comments section but I genuinely enjoy working from office. I enjoy the social aspects. And commute never bothered me, albeit max commute for me was 45 mins (in the bay area). The only downside that I always felt was parking situation. Lot of my friends feel the same about office work. I believe going forward there will be companies (and employees) in 2 camps -- remote first and hybrid…

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by hvasilev » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 6:07 AM UTC

ripper1138 wrote: post #237

sam0x17 wrote: post #170

Curious to see how many quit over this. A lot in the tech industry (myself included) seem completely done with not working from home, especially when there is no excuse for working in-person. Tech offices for pure-software projects have also become morally indefensible from the perspective of resource consumption and climate change. That said it's true that Apple does do some R&D that requires an in-person presence,…

That’s a very cynical take. Morally indefensible? That’s an incredible hyperbole. People may quit sure but CEOs are responsible for getting value to share holders and many honestly do believe that in office or hybrid model works toward that goal. If it was only about office space they could write that off and be done with it.

What value are they getting to the share holders by making people work partially from the office?

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by spoonjim » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 6:07 AM UTC

Does anyone think that something like the next Apple Watch can be invented by remote teams talking to each other over video chat?

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by FpUser » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 6:08 AM UTC

Been working from home for the last 20 years. Make money either off my own products or design and develop products for clients. I prefer to think and create alone. I value before anything else ability to choose what work to do. I am fine having meetings every once in a while but rubbing shoulder all day long in the office is not for me. I have friends I do not work with and I prefer it this way. I also enjoy being not having some out of their mind HR telling me how to behave, being forced to "team building" events and whatever other crap they come up with.

I do understand that some jobs are impossible without being in the office / factory / whatever. I am thankful that I was able to avoid those.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by lupire » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 6:08 AM UTC

gmadsen wrote: post #449

Izkata wrote: post #442

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Likewise here, I'm floating around $300-350/month at the store, and that includes non-food consumables like tissues and cleaning supplies.

Thats pretty extreme. I am usually around $800 a month, but that includes about 2 meals a week at casual restaurants with friends.

For how many people?

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by lupire » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 6:09 AM UTC

Lewton wrote: post #515

wikibob wrote: post #424

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Jesus Christ. I eat well and spend maybe $400 a month on groceries and food. I’ve heard that Google recruiters attempt to con potential employees into some ridiculous assessment of the “free” food as a compensation benefit with numbers like those that you posited above. I can’t imagine valuing daily meals that highly.

What’s your hourly wage and how much time do you spend preparing food?

And do you get overtime pay if you don't cook your own food?

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by lupire » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 6:10 AM UTC

gnicholas wrote: post #367

mFixman wrote: post #334

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A Google Employee working from home could save $200/day versus getting a fancy limousine to go to work. Nobody buys prepared food every day, and the costs of food are negligible for a Google employee.

I know Googlers who literally never buy groceries because they eat all of their big meals at the office, grab a bottled smoothie on their way out the door, and get restaurant food on the weekends. It is cheaper to get groceries than to buy prepared food, but there’s a lot of spoilage that happens when you’re only cooking 2 days/week.

Just because you overeat and overindulge when it's free and shoved in front of you doesn't mean you need, want, or will buy the same food if it's not.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by winrid » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 6:10 AM UTC

matt-attack wrote: post #511

amyjess wrote: post #198

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I do not care about being competitve. I work so I can draw a salary to fund my life. That's it. I don't care about constantly climbing a ladder. I don't care about advancing my career for the sake of advancing my career. I just want to enjoy my life, and working for a living is just my means to that end. If I'm making enough to be comfortable, I don't care about chasing a promotion or getting ahead of people. I can't…

That’s because diversity and inclusion pretty much means “blacks” and “women” fullstop. I was recently hiring a developer and my massive media company insisted I ensure my recruiter is giving me diverse candidates. I selected an individual who is apparently Spanish Jewish. Some very rare tribe of Jews from Spain. Was that considered diverse? Nope. Needs to be black.

I actually had a manager at a company openly say they were having trouble finding an intern as they only wanted a minority. I ended up waiting for months.

I am very happy I got out of that place...