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Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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I'm glad others are shocked by that $60/day on food. I would say food takes up the largest percentage of my expenses and $60 is easily 5 days worth of food for two.

Lol I spend about 5-10$ a day on food. Where do these people eat at lol

Going to guess SF, where those are not overly expensive prices for eating out with a drink at each meal.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Jesus Christ. I eat well and spend maybe $400 a month on groceries and food. I’ve heard that Google recruiters attempt to con potential employees into some ridiculous assessment of the “free” food as a compensation benefit with numbers like those that you posited above. I can’t imagine valuing daily meals that highly.

I'm glad others are shocked by that $60/day on food. I would say food takes up the largest percentage of my expenses and $60 is easily 5 days worth of food for two.

Same here. $60 is basically our two-people weekly shopping.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

This is what most of the newcomers to WFH don't understand: There is a big different between WFH for a few months where EVERYONE else is also WFH ... and WFH for YEARS where some, or most, of the others are in office. The latter is years upon years of feeling disconnected, left out, and sidelined. The vast majority of companies even if they allow remote are not remote first. Remote first involves actual structural an…

4 years in, no issues. Probably better than ever. Not everyone is an extrovert, talking daily over audio to several people is fine for me. Sometimes we'll meet up for particularly hard problems to brain storm but otherwise, I'm good behind a screen. I think extroverts think everyone needs that face time, but no, we really don't. I'm fine with seeing my friends and family, my co-workers just aren't that special to me.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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I'm glad others are shocked by that $60/day on food. I would say food takes up the largest percentage of my expenses and $60 is easily 5 days worth of food for two.

Lol I spend about 5-10$ a day on food. Where do these people eat at lol

You can barely get a single meal at McDonalds with $10, what is with the frugality signaling in this thread? I've never cooked a meal, and I never intend to. Why? For the same reason I don't grow my own veggies or keep my own chickens. Its low productivity labor.

If you're posting on this site and cook your own food because its a hobby for you, great. If you're doing it to save money, you are probably being stupid with your time.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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I maybe in the minority in this comments section but I genuinely enjoy working from office. I enjoy the social aspects. And commute never bothered me, albeit max commute for me was 45 mins (in the bay area). The only downside that I always felt was parking situation. Lot of my friends feel the same about office work. I believe going forward there will be companies (and employees) in 2 camps -- remote first and hybrid…

> I maybe in the minority in this comments section but I genuinely enjoy working from office. In my experience, plenty of people enjoy working from the office. Many of us enjoy a mix of in-office and WFH. The comments sections on these articles tend to receive a lot of projection from people who simply hate their jobs and view WFH as a partial antidote to that. That, and a lot of comments from people who have absurdl…

I bet there's also more than a few people who work at places where work surges up to or beyond a full day but other days there's not much to do. If they're not empowered to actually treat their salaried job as a salaried job working from home is a great way to side step that issue.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Not everyone spends a significant amount of time commuting by personal car to the office. I see a lot of angst about hypothetically long 1-2hr commutes when the average commute in major tech cities is ~30 mins, and of course you can always control it by living closer to the office. Sure, not everyone is willing to make sacrifices for commute, which is one reason why it can be a competitive advantage.

I commuted 1.5 hours each way, bike in summer and public transit in winter both took the same time. I loved biking but public transportation sucks. Why? Rent was triple what I was paying to be close, or double to cut the commute in half. And I had no job security.

Ebike next time. Mod the motor. You can still pedal and sweat if you want.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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A Google Employee working from home could save $200/day versus getting a fancy limousine to go to work. Nobody buys prepared food every day, and the costs of food are negligible for a Google employee.

I know Googlers who literally never buy groceries because they eat all of their big meals at the office, grab a bottled smoothie on their way out the door, and get restaurant food on the weekends. It is cheaper to get groceries than to buy prepared food, but there’s a lot of spoilage that happens when you’re only cooking 2 days/week.

I did not own a fridge or any cooking appliances for my first year at Google. 3 meals a day at work + takeout on weekends.

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There are also plenty of people who like their coworkers and enjoy spending time with them each day. I don't think everybody finds work to be an unfulfilling drain on their leisure time

> There are also plenty of people who like their coworkers and enjoy spending time with them each day. Not saying you are wrong, but The vast majority of people first get jobs to earn money THEN meet the coworkers AND having no other option besides interacting with coworkers during work hours, will try to get along

The vast majority of IT people in Silicon Valley can yell on the street and get a job.

So then it becomes which company has the best culture, values, people, environment etc.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Yes, I very much enjoy my co-workers. Several nights a week I find myself lying in bed and notice I'm grinning while thinking about some jokes or fun we've had together. We all work 100% remote.

Right?! My company was mostly remote pre-pandemic, and we've gotten more remote friendly during the last year. We share memes, conversation, movie reviews, etc. all over Slack/Zoom/Signal/etc. I'll just get random weird texts from one of my co-workers. It helps that a lot of us have worked together through multiple companies, but even the ones that haven't... I've honestly never met my manager in person just due to t…

Similar setup.

My team and I have been remote for years.

We have channels on slack for non work stuff and we post memes, news, etc. We also have DM groups and just chat. We’ve got more people on the meme channels outside of the team. It’s a nice group. I even play games with some on my switch.

I’ve only been to the company 3 times split between 2 locations.

I’m looking to change teams soon. So advancement opportunities are there. Never met in person the manager, so it’s not that.

Based on my experience, I believe it depends on the company, team culture and the people. By team culture I mean more how the team is run. Some are run very competitive others more collaborative.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

WFH has been much better for our lives and I am not looking forward to going back. These are how WFH has benefited us: The wife: Does chores / cooking and baking while she is just a participant in a meeting. Go for a run before picking up the kid from daycare Myself: I can drop the kid off at daycare, do chores around the house, do HIIT workout multiple times during the week. Try body hacking like intermittent fastin…

This is maybe the first relatable comment I’ve come across in here — work kills, the stress of having to be there on time, eating fast food because you don’t have time to cook, no time to exercise because you’re driving an hour a day, all the other things in your life piling up because all you seem to do is drive back and forth to work… I mean people aren’t even getting vaccinated because they’re worried about being able to show up to work the next day.

It’s a dream for a lot of people to just wake up, get a cup of coffee and sit down at their computer, to not have to get out of bed in the middle of the night, plan bowel movements like a military campaign and run around like a maniac all day every day.

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