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Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Masks should be optional UNLESS you're NOT vaccinated.

I wish all the covid vaccine protocols were applied to other diseases we have vaccines for. Measles is a million times more infectious.

There is basically no community spread of measles currently due to good herd immunity (via widespread vaccination). When there are outbreaks it is usually very serious and stuff gets closed and people isolated.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Because unvaccinated people can contract and spread COVID?

So can vaccinated people.

lol

you're totally right, let's just never trust any vaccine or medical developments due to anomalous chance of failure. in accordance to this, i pledge to never leave my home until i leave this barren earth.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Why?

Why not?

Just seems like a somewhat arbitrary point to draw the line - I assumed there was some logical justification for it that I was missing.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Because unvaccinated people can contract and spread COVID?

So can vaccinated people.

The popular vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca) are known to significantly reduce asymptomatic infections as well [1].

[1] Table 1b. Effectiveness of COVID-19 Vaccination Against Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infection in https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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I maybe in the minority in this comments section but I genuinely enjoy working from office. I enjoy the social aspects. And commute never bothered me, albeit max commute for me was 45 mins (in the bay area). The only downside that I always felt was parking situation. Lot of my friends feel the same about office work.

I believe going forward there will be companies (and employees) in 2 camps -- remote first and hybrid/full in-office. And both types of companies will thrive. There are some people who enjoy going to office. And there are some people who enjoy working from home. And these people self select themselves for their respective jobs. And that choice is a good thing

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Fine, but if any company makes me wear a mask for 8 hours, I am out of there. Work remotely or come to a normal office sure.

It's a religion now, and an important part of testing your adherence is going to be seeing whether you're willing to wear a mask all day at work, tell others how important it is, and cluck and shake your head at the unenlightened (anti-maskers) that disagree with you. I understand this will be perceived as a troll post, but this as absolutely the setup I am seeing.

It’s been a religion from day 1. PCR tests being run at too high of a cycle count was a conspiracy theory until it wasn’t. Hospitals being incentivized to mark any possible patients as COVID cases for extra government money was a conspiracy theory until it wasn’t. Mandatory vaccination with a drug that hasn’t even gotten FDA approval was a theory and yet I see people call for it. People I had had great chats with about the problems in the pharma industry, problems of government overreach.

I was one of the most scientifically literate people in my friend group and now I’m an outcast because I don’t always “trust the science”.

And just 2 years ago we were seeing all manner of stories on HN about experiment reproducibility, the issues with the peer review system, etc.

I have been completely demoralized by the past year.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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We ask our kids to do it when they go to school. It doesn't seem fair if we're unwilling to do the same.

I would never ask my kids that and I would try to find a school that does not enforce a mask policy. Especially with children, learning non verbal communication is very important.

> learning non verbal communication is very important

You're right. There's absolutely no way kids could learn non-verbal communication if they had to wear a mask for several hours a day. It's not like literally everyone in Japan and China has been wearing face masks for 20 years.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

>I save money by spending less on food, drinks, and electricity.

Compared to commuting (car+gas) and time-to-commute opportunity costs (to use for personal house tasks, side projects, self health)? I seriously doubt it.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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"Cook wrapped up the memo by saying that he's looking forward to seeing employee faces. "I know I'm not alone in missing the hum of activity, the energy, creativity and collaboration of our in-person meetings and the sense of community we've all built," he wrote." CEO's all spout the same nonsense. The majority of people work because they need to earn money. They're not working to make a new 'family' or change the wo…

There are also plenty of people who like their coworkers and enjoy spending time with them each day. I don't think everybody finds work to be an unfulfilling drain on their leisure time

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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"Cook wrapped up the memo by saying that he's looking forward to seeing employee faces. "I know I'm not alone in missing the hum of activity, the energy, creativity and collaboration of our in-person meetings and the sense of community we've all built," he wrote." CEO's all spout the same nonsense. The majority of people work because they need to earn money. They're not working to make a new 'family' or change the wo…

Your comment might make sense in a completely different context, but this is Apple! Everyone there could be making more money for less stress somewhere else, but they’re at Apple since they believe in or appreciate something else about the company, whether that’s the vision, the colleagues, the hard problems, etc. Apple is probably the number one company where your comment is not true.
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