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Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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blakesterz wrote: post #17

I wonder as more companies start to push more people to get back into the office, more people will want to keep working from home, those companies that offer full remote work will be able to pay less and get better employees? I guess the question is, are you willing to work from home and get paid less than if you're forced to go back in an office? I took a pay cut 8 years ago to work from home, so my answer is YES an…

Was your pay cut due to your location, or simply due to the fact that you were work-from-home?

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by rawtxapp »

plusCubed wrote: post #16

Interesting, similar to Google[1]... I wonder if 3 days in-person will be the new paradigm for big tech companies. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/6/22422518/google-hybrid-wor...

FWIW, Google afterwards opened up the possibility of full-remote work (saying they expect ~20% of the workforce to do that iirc), but individual PAs will need to come up with actual guidelines which are due in a couple of weeks.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by the_local_host »

SquareWheel wrote: post #11
cat_plus_plus wrote: post #7

Fine, but if any company makes me wear a mask for 8 hours, I am out of there. Work remotely or come to a normal office sure.

We ask our kids to do it when they go to school. It doesn't seem fair if we're unwilling to do the same.

School, and the socialization that occurs there, is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Work is generally just work, it's not like your personal development suffers if you skip it.

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Post by jsnk »

SquareWheel wrote: post #11
cat_plus_plus wrote: post #7

Fine, but if any company makes me wear a mask for 8 hours, I am out of there. Work remotely or come to a normal office sure.

We ask our kids to do it when they go to school. It doesn't seem fair if we're unwilling to do the same.

We should stop kids from wearing the masks. The covid risk for the kids are miniscule and masks do not stop covid anyway.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by smoldesu »

desine wrote: post #18
SquareWheel wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We ask our kids to do it when they go to school. It doesn't seem fair if we're unwilling to do the same.

I would never ask my kids that and I would try to find a school that does not enforce a mask policy. Especially with children, learning non verbal communication is very important.

I would argue that your children will learn non-verbal communication even better with masks on. It encourages alternative methods of conversing and challenges you to be a better listener and more attentive student. Honestly I don't know why we didn't do this in elementary school just for the hell of it!

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by thrower123 »

paulcole wrote: post #8
thrower123 wrote: post #4

This might be the worst possible schedule. Mandatory Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays? Terrible. Neither fish nor fowl. Shit, or get off the pot. But deliberately constructing the schedule to make actually getting to work remote impractical is mendacious at best.

Hear me out. Mandatory Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays seems worse, no?

No. Better to be explicit that you're putting people back under thumb, and not pull the bait and switch routine with them.

Every wfh Wednesday that you end up having to commute to the office because something comes up will become a nagging grievance.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by andrei_says_ »

Why?

Because of the already sunk cost into office space?

Any other reasons?

I know I can drive 40 min and stare at the same laptop and email/zoom with the same people.

What’s in it for me? All I see is unnecessary agony, and a lot of it.

I produce more from home. Why does an employer want me to suffer more, even if it will cost them? What’s in it for them?

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by koolba »

SquareWheel wrote: post #11
cat_plus_plus wrote: post #7

Fine, but if any company makes me wear a mask for 8 hours, I am out of there. Work remotely or come to a normal office sure.

We ask our kids to do it when they go to school. It doesn't seem fair if we're unwilling to do the same.

There’s plenty of pointless and counterproductive things we insist our children do that we do not mandate for adults.
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