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Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by nednar »

garmaine wrote: post #368
nednar wrote: post #48

If recovered people have longer term protection than vaccinated people (which is one possible interpretation of the headline's statement), would it make sense to first vaccinate someone and then expose them to the real virus, thereby generating the benefits with a much much lower risk or maybe even zero risk?

Why? Make the patient catch Covid… so that they don’t later catch Covid?

Well, if vaccination does not protect you for a lifetime, but only for a year or so, and a survived infection protects you for a lifetime, then getting infected while vaccinated should get you the +lifetime bonus.

And you will infect a lot fewer people, maybe zero, for the rest of your life, too. Should also help with avoiding future pandemics from this virus.

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Post by randomopining »

swader999 wrote: post #322
D13Fd wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This position is selfish. Covid is very often asymptomatic but still spreads. There is no way you can know that you haven't had it again, haven't spread it to others, and won't continue to do so without a vaccine. And while it may be asymptomatic for you, you can still spread it to others who it will be very symptomatic for - including others who have been diligent and have taken the vaccine. You can kill people with…

If they get the vaccine they can still be infected with covid and transmit to others. Yes they will be less severe and probably less transmissive but it's a bit dangerous to think a vaccinated person is that much better than an unvaccinated person.

False. Studies clearly show vaccinated is indeed “that much better” for preventing transmission.

Why come on here and post straight falsehoods that take 5-10 mins to google?

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Post by randomopining »

JPKab wrote: post #68
heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

I'm in a pretty weird position right now myself. I caught it in mid-February with mild symptoms basically just loss of smell. I have very high antibodies and my physician actually recommended that I hold off on getting the vaccine. Unfortunately, I have several co-workers who refuse to attend a picnic if I'm there. All of them are vaccinated which indicates to me that there is no logic and simply a demand that I adhe…

Just get the J&J so you’re officially vaccinated and only have to deal with side effects 1 time. Tbh it’s just a good thing to do for your community at this time.

Although I fully agree that they should have a pass for people who already got it and have high antibody titers.

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Post by randomopining »

forty wrote: post #147
heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

If you are healthy, getting vaccinated against covid is not something you do for you, it's something you do for others. That's how vaccine works, when enough people are vaccinated, the epidemic stops. Some viruses evolves and for those a vaccine is required regularly (like flu, maybe covid). I can totally understand that you are not worried for yourself (I feel the same) but don't be surprised that people are unhappy…

It’s amazing that people don’t understand this.

If you have a condition or something that it could affect, sure don’t get the vaccine. I’m fine with that. But if you’re healthy and esp if you didn’t have covid yet, getting the shot is patriotic. Fools try to twist it otherwise.

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Post by runamok »

laurent92 wrote: post #349
santiagobasulto wrote: post #251

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Some time ago i listened to a respected Argentina scientist (that lives and works in France) saying something: “we can’t confirm nor deny anything about COVID, given the poor quality of scientific procedure we follow in testing” He was complaining of lack of scientific rigorousity with testing (at least in France) and he compared it to the “behind the scenes” of a restaurant’s kitchen. For example, he was saying that…

Elon Musk got himself tested 4 times the same day in 2020. 2 positive 2 negative.

And a reminder that he did in fact have covid. A funny tweet that explains the trade offs of that kind of test: https://www.newsweek.com/space-karen-response-elon-musk-vira...

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Post by jonnycomputer »

plank_time wrote: post #314
jonnycomputer wrote: post #289

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Natural immunity is great. If you survive. And if you don't give it to others. Almost impossible not to give it to others. Relying on it was pretty reckless, especially given how little we understand it.

This statement is overly alarmist. 98% of people survive covid. >85% are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms. The vast majority of people survive without any issues. The biggest problem with covid is how infectious it is, which is what really overwhelms health care systems.

Over alarmist? You're saying 2% of people who get an incredibly transmissible disease die, and you aren't alarmed? I mean, sure its not Ebola, but its not a cold either. Sheez.

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Post by jonnycomputer »

procombo wrote: post #338
jonnycomputer wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Natural immunity is great. If you survive. And if you don't give it to others. Almost impossible not to give it to others. Relying on it was pretty reckless, especially given how little we understand it.

> Almost impossible not to give it to others. Your facts are old, very old. Transmissibility has been linked to the nasopharyngeal viral load during onset symptoms. [ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33296437/ ] The virus may not be as present in your nasal discharge, or breath. We've also known from the start transmissibility is also definitely not linked to the severity of symptoms. When you read from articles from…

I hope you are recovering well.

Honestly not sure what your point is. Are you saying that for someone who is infected that the probability of not giving it to others around you is not very high?

The gist of what I'm saying is that even if you think that your chances of dying, or even inconvenience, from the virus is extremely low, your ability to control its spread to others is also pretty low. Meaning that you can become a vector to someone who is at high risk. So people going to corona-parties thinking only about the impact on themselves is reckless and selfish.

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Post by jonnycomputer »

joemazerino wrote: post #296
jonnycomputer wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe some people thought that serious accusations like this require evidence and looked askance upon Trump's xenophobic blame-shifting and hate-mongering. "the China virus" he likes to say. And we see the consequences with old Asian ladies being punched in streets by young white thugs. I've personally always held it as a possibility. But no way I'll defend the Trump administration on this.

> And we see the consequences with old Asian ladies being punched in streets by young white thugs. Speaking of hate-mongering..are we seeing the same data on anti-Asian attacks?

If you have data, cough it up joe.

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Post by jonnycomputer »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #288
loveistheanswer wrote: post #189

It almost seems like a lot of people don't want the data to indicate that natural immunity is strong and long lasting, even though the data shows that reinfection is extemely rare. Similar to how so many people have been unwilling to even consider a lab leak was a possibility, until just now it seems, because that idea was heresy to the orthodox dogma that ordained Scientists are Saviors. Humans have equated sickness…

Or maybe some people thought that serious accusations like this require evidence and looked askance upon Trump's xenophobic blame-shifting and hate-mongering. "the China virus" he likes to say. And we see the consequences with old Asian ladies being punched in streets by young white thugs. I've personally always held it as a possibility. But no way I'll defend the Trump administration on this.

Let me see if I can say restate this more clearly.

I have always accepted the possibility that the virus escaped from a lab in China. However, like many other Americans, I refused to be drawn into public speculation about it by people, like Donald Trump and Stephen Miller, with a political and ideological interest in stoking xenophobia. In particular, I saw their attempt to blame China--before definitive evidence was acquired--as an attempt to shift blame away for the Trump administration's dismal response to the virus to external actors.

And yes, we have seen a rise in anti-Asian hate crime and sinophobia in America, largely as a result of this kind of rhetoric.

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Post by thebruce87m »

nickysielicki wrote: post #333
seren wrote: post #86

From my understanding if you had an mRNA vaccine, your body was only exposed to an artificial spike protein, so effectively you have spike specific antibodies. On the other hand, if you had a real infection by the virus, you likely have antibodies for the spike protein and other part of the virus like the shell. So from my layman understanding, the immunity should be more resistant to a mutation of the spike protein.…

> Confirmed by PCR What was the cycle threshold? The problem with this whole manufactured pandemic is that all the numbers and tests are bullshit because people are doing bad science. The massive relief bills introduced financial incentives to do bad science. It’s institutional failure at a massive scale.

How do you account for huge jumps in excess mortality across multiple countries? What about the antibody tests? Lateral flow tests? Genetic sequencing? 10% - 20% of positive tests in the UK are sequenced - wouldn’t you raise concerns if all the samples you were sequencing were false positives?

Is it all a conspiracy? Without a single whistleblower? To what end?

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