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Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by SketchySeaBeast » Fri, May 28, 2021, 3:17 PM UTC

toolz wrote: post #41

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #21

I know two people who had covid and who right now have a second covid infection by the british mutation. One of them also had their first vaccination.

unfortunately the false positives with our PCR testing is abysmal - in the US the CDC recommended cycle thresholds of >40 to signify a true positive. That is beyond insane - with the flu we recognize false positives are likely after just a CT of 23! Your friends likely got sick twice, maybe once from covid and PCR tested positive twice. This is what the current literature understands - it's not impossible that you're…

> unfortunately the false positives with our PCR testing is abysmal

I keep hearing this argument, but it's unconvincing. Here in Alberta we've seen positive cases and hospitalizations and deaths move in relation to each-other. If the false positive was so high we wouldn't be able to make out that pattern from the noise, but it's incredibly obvious. Also, in the early days we saw case rates much lower than the false positive rates I saw talked about, and so that doesn't hold water either.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by frankfrankfrank » Fri, May 28, 2021, 3:18 PM UTC

camgunz wrote: post #80

peteradio wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vaccinate the high risk people then.

This doesn't work because non-vaccinated people will breed variants, which the original vaccine won't work on.

That is clearly not logically consistent. I also know that the following will be very bothersome to hear for many people and I hope to . Nothing would indicate that unvaccinated would lead to mutations, especially over vaccinated whose vaccination does not actually perform as well as natural immunity developed from the body naturally building immunity.

What is actually bing discussed in the non-corporate medical community and research is starting to validate the very well understood theory that relatively poorly performing vaccines are actually going to lead to mutations if they haven't already. It is the same concept that has led to "antibiotic resistant bacteria" when antibiotics are either overused or not used as long as they should be, leaving the most resistant bacteria to reproduce.

I realize it must be difficult to accept such a contradiction to what people are told by the corporate media and corporate medical industrial complex. It also requires accepting and acknowledging that may have been injected with an untested/risky novel experimental medial compound for no good reason, but that it will likely also lead to even worse variants that will require ever more vaccines that are ever less tested and will increase risks of adverse reactions with every single event.

No matter what, we have clearly cast the die and things have clearly been fundamentally shifted in ways that are clearly carry unknown outcomes. THAT should really worry people, even if we all survive this particular event, scathing by relatively unharmed. What happens when the next virus comes around that may actually be as dangerous as we were scared about and some or maybe all of the next rushed vaccines trigger antibody-dependent enhancement or some other mortal effect that kills millions with no way to prevent it.

We ARE playing with fire here. No matter how we look at it. Someone, possibly many, will be get burned at some point probably far sooner than one would think.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by mywittyname » Fri, May 28, 2021, 3:19 PM UTC

struxure wrote: post #56

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #21

I know two people who had covid and who right now have a second covid infection by the british mutation. One of them also had their first vaccination.

It may happen, also it is worth to notice that the immunity should form after the second vaccine

And it takes a few weeks after that second shot for full immunity to kick in. My vaccine details said two weeks after the second does for maximum immunity, but Moderna might be different.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by lbeltrame » Fri, May 28, 2021, 3:19 PM UTC

camgunz wrote: post #80

peteradio wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vaccinate the high risk people then.

This doesn't work because non-vaccinated people will breed variants, which the original vaccine won't work on.

Can you provide some evidence that this happened now, or for earlier diseases?

Manaus in Brazil doesn't count, FTR. It never ever reached herd immunity: the data was a large overestimation.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by lbeltrame » Fri, May 28, 2021, 3:21 PM UTC

beiller wrote: post #111

pandem wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure why people keep saying this. The original studies did not study if the vaccine prevents spread, that is true. I'm not certain myself, but I believe that studies done based on COVID spread in countries where vaccination rates are high (at least Israel) point to the direction that it prevents spread as well. Are these not valid data points?

There was also the Seychelles data point which had the highest vaccinated rate and then had a large outbreak after.

The outbreak was mostly in unvaccinated people, and there was no background of prior infections (they never had a first wave).

Besides, studies on healthcare workers, who are tested regularly, showed a clear reduction in transmission.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by inglor_cz » Fri, May 28, 2021, 3:23 PM UTC

ovi256 wrote: post #4

mactavish88 wrote: post #2

Does anybody have any ideas as to what this means for people who've had COVID and then get vaccinated with one of the mRNA vaccines? If not, is anyone studying this?

Probably nothing at all, the mRNA vaccine will just prompt the body to make even more antibodies against the variants from the vaccine. I expect having stronger flu-like side-effects on the first injection instead of the usual second mRNA injection. For this reason, if you had diagnosed COVID, in France you'll be injected a single dose of mRNA vaccine and be considered immune.

I had COVID at the end of December. I just got my first Pfizer dose yesterday. Almost no side effects, just a bit of sensitivity around the jab site. And a very slight chill feeling for a few hours.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by forty » Fri, May 28, 2021, 3:24 PM UTC

heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

If you are healthy, getting vaccinated against covid is not something you do for you, it's something you do for others. That's how vaccine works, when enough people are vaccinated, the epidemic stops. Some viruses evolves and for those a vaccine is required regularly (like flu, maybe covid). I can totally understand that you are not worried for yourself (I feel the same) but don't be surprised that people are unhappy that you don't care about them.

And you say you don't go out when you get sick, but I'm not sure how you would do that for covid, since covid can in many cases be asymptomatic.

I'm not sure how it works in your country, but here people that already had covid only get one vaccine shot, as the covid infection is counted as the first one.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by titzer » Fri, May 28, 2021, 3:26 PM UTC

D13Fd wrote: post #136

heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

This position is selfish. Covid is very often asymptomatic but still spreads. There is no way you can know that you haven't had it again, haven't spread it to others, and won't continue to do so without a vaccine. And while it may be asymptomatic for you, you can still spread it to others who it will be very symptomatic for - including others who have been diligent and have taken the vaccine. You can kill people with…

I wanted to write this comment, but you said it better.

The OP's post is entirely about themself, evidenced in that it is written in a completely self-centered way. "I am experiencing social shaming and being shunned for a position I take where I show absolutely no concern for others. And yet they don't subscribe to my superior reasoning powers. My feelings are so hurt!"

Cry us a river, dude.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by mywittyname » Fri, May 28, 2021, 3:26 PM UTC

HighlandSpring wrote: post #25

roywiggins wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vaccine manufacturers are already gearing up for booster shots, so we won't have to trust it in the long term- new strains can be met with new vaccines.

In that case won't it become a self-fulfilling prophecy?

No. It was suspected from the beginning that booster shots would be necessary. There are just so many variants and the infection has spread to so many people that it was unrealistic to expect a single round would eliminate the virus.

There's a very real risk of covid vaccines being necessary every year.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by dognotdog » Fri, May 28, 2021, 3:26 PM UTC

heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

FWIW, several non-vaccinated acquaintances of mine in different countries have gotten COVID for the 2nd time, though anecdotally somewhat less severe in the second round.

Is any data, yet, available about how reduced the contagiousness is for getting infected for the 2nd time naturally, vs. having the vaccine? For both catching and spreading it?