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Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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And it's especially ironic given that most of the shaming is coming from the 'my body my choice' proponents on other issues.

If you are referring to a pro-choice stance, I don't think that's really comparable to a situation where your choice can severely affect not only yourself but all people around you.

But many would argue that there is damage to society from that, too.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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post #52

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But you _did_ catch covid so being careful isn't always enough. I don't think it's emotional or unreasonable for your family to require the vaccine before you visit. Also, I'm not suggesting that you will "kill everyone" by not getting the vaccine, but it really isn't just about you and that you personally will probably recover. Do you think it's a reasonable thing for most people to take your stance and not get vacc…

This comment avoids the facts noted in the linked article, which seem to point to perpetual immunity of anyone who was infected by SARS-CoV-2 in the past.

There are multiple documented cases where a person caught COVID twice (where the two instances were genetically different, and therefore not a false positive caused by lingering dead virus).

The linked article only indicates that antibody production should continue for a long time, but that's only one factor in robust long-term immunity. The rate of antibody production and the set of proteins that the antibodies target are also very important.

It's good news to be sure, but it doesn't yet prove what you seem to want it to.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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post #51

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The vaccine, yes. But I'm not sure there's such consensus around homegrown antibodies.

The vaccine elicits homegrown anti-bodies. It's the same anti-bodies.

I don't doubt that at all but would love to see the evidence! I'm wondering how they show that, maybe DNA sequencing of T-cell receptor sequence? Or is it only through reactivity if specific proteins? Off to search about T-cell repertoire data...

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

People talked about 'saving granny' to get you to comply with Covid restrictions but now there's literally granny's dying in India and we're giving the vaccine to perfectly healthy people in America and no one gives it a second thought! Meanwhile, under 55 age group has a fatality chance of Covid that is less than dying in a car accident and will develop immunity after natural infection. And the under 55 age group ma…

What about the fact that a VERY small sacrifice on your part of getting a vaccine plays a VERY small part in preventing an older or compromised person from getting VERY sick?

> we're giving the vaccine to perfectly healthy people in America and no one gives it a second thought!

You always give vaccines to healthy people.

>> And no one will care at all about your vaccine.

I'm quite confident you'll get a vaccine when you need proof to go on your week's vacation to some beach country, or any similar personal impact.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

#135

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

> have yet to encounter a second infection or positive test since my initial infection

Science generally saves us from trusting anecdotes, though. I know two people who were reinfected within five months, but I wouldn't conclude it's likely.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

#136

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

This position is selfish.

Covid is very often asymptomatic but still spreads. There is no way you can know that you haven't had it again, haven't spread it to others, and won't continue to do so without a vaccine.

And while it may be asymptomatic for you, you can still spread it to others who it will be very symptomatic for - including others who have been diligent and have taken the vaccine. You can kill people without knowing it.

The longer people go unvaccinated, the more likely mutations are to catch on, which may defeat the vaccine.

You are placing your general dislike of "putting things into my body" above all of our safety and welfare, and you are interfering with our collective efforts to end this pandemic and move on for the sake of our health and economy.

Please don't be so selfish.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

#137

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

Repeat infections of covid have been confirmed and now that the CDC is tracking variants, we know that the dominant strains shift very rapidly. Meaning that you could be exposed to a mutated version for which your immunity is blunted or completely absent.

The vaccines are only 85-99% effective. So your family is still at risk for getting and spreading the infection. And if you're the spreader, it's possible that it would be a resistant strain.

My attitude mirrors that of your family. And it has more to do with doing ones part to combat this pandemic and return to normal. I got a vaccine less for my own person safety, but more for the good of society. I want people to be safe, feel safe, and I want front line workers -- who've given so much -- to finally get a break.

You're not willing to make this same, minor sacrifice for society that everyone else did. It makes sense that you'd be shunned by people who want this to be over with.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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post #39

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I don't really believe stories on the internet. There's a lot of context missing. Like the fact that 3% of the population are hypochondriacs.

It's still anecdotal, but my cousin's wife who is a nurse also had covid twice, both of them confirmed infections(as in, she tested positive), the second one was after she'd received her first shot(not sure which vaccine, but one of the 2-dose ones) I have no clue if they were different variants or what caused her to not be immune, or how unlucky she were(this might be exceedingly rare) but for me it's been a good an…

>> anecdotes aren't anthema to logic. THey're all that is required to disprove universally stated truths. So if some vax-denier says "healthly people can't get covid twice" your anecdote is good enough.

The real problem is that despite all their talk of science and facts they're not going to be convinced. That's just window dressing for their wrong beliefs.

The value of vaccines is for society as a whole but the majority of us who get vaccinated do so for very selfish reasons: we don't want to get sick, we perceive the risk worth it, etc. The vast majority of anti-vaxers are still driven by the same base needs, we just haven't found the motivator that triggers action. Something as simple as vacinne passports would probably do it.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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post #75

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I'm not sure why people keep saying this. The original studies did not study if the vaccine prevents spread, that is true. I'm not certain myself, but I believe that studies done based on COVID spread in countries where vaccination rates are high (at least Israel) point to the direction that it prevents spread as well. Are these not valid data points?

There was also the Seychelles data point which had the highest vaccinated rate and then had a large outbreak after.

Which vaccine did they use? The CDC says the strongest evidence for preventing spread is for the mRNA vaccines.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

#140

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

Ok, I agree your family might be overreacting, and that it isn't a "big deal" you're not getting the vaccine.

But you really should get the vaccine, at least if you're in a place with abundant supply. There's just no good argument against it. The odds of "putting things in your body" having any effect on you are far less than the odds of getting Covid again, even if those odds are low. And mine as well make your family happy.

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