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Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by DennisP »

heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

Until now, virologists had little evidence on whether having covid gives you lasting immunity or not. It seems possible that you're not giving your family enough credit.

The reason that not going out when you're sick is an insufficient precaution for covid is that people spread the virus for several days before they get symptoms.

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Post by simlevesque »

nednar wrote: post #44
heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

Who said after recovery you need vaccine? Probably you just need to share official documentation from your government and official health body with your family. Afaik, recovered and vaccinated are treated the same currently.

After recovery you need a single shot instead of 2.

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Post by foepys »

jf22 wrote: post #55
heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

> I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. How many days before you are noticeably sick can you spread the flu or COVID?

Research seems to indicate 2-3 days, if you even have symptoms. If you don't have symptoms until you fight it off.

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Post by tw04 »

heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

>I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick.

With the flu for instance, you are communicable before you show symptoms. Were you wearing a mask for the duration of the flu season prior to covid? That would be what responsible looks like if you're not interested in getting a shot.

>I have continuously been near or around folks that have come down with Covid and have yet to encounter a second infection or positive test since my initial infection.

I'm not sure you can say that with 100% certainty unless you've been getting weekly tests since your initial positive results. Early studies indicate that people who get re-infected are more likely to show no symptoms the second time around, but they can still infect others.

https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/12/can-someone...

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Post by eplanit »

heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

"get the vaccine or you are a bad citizen and will kill everyone"

Yep. Notice how the "follow science" phrase isn't used anymore. It's now just a demand to comply, or else you're a horrible person.

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Post by nickthemagicman »

amarant wrote: post #39
nickthemagicman wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really believe stories on the internet. There's a lot of context missing. Like the fact that 3% of the population are hypochondriacs.

It's still anecdotal, but my cousin's wife who is a nurse also had covid twice, both of them confirmed infections(as in, she tested positive), the second one was after she'd received her first shot(not sure which vaccine, but one of the 2-dose ones) I have no clue if they were different variants or what caused her to not be immune, or how unlucky she were(this might be exceedingly rare) but for me it's been a good an…

Counterpoint.

My cousins wife's friends bosses therapists personal trainer got Covid twice and it made them more physically strong and able to do advanced math and play piano masterfully never having touched a piano before!

Getting Covid a second time made their life way better.

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Post by yostrovs »

mehphp wrote: post #52
heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

But you _did_ catch covid so being careful isn't always enough. I don't think it's emotional or unreasonable for your family to require the vaccine before you visit. Also, I'm not suggesting that you will "kill everyone" by not getting the vaccine, but it really isn't just about you and that you personally will probably recover. Do you think it's a reasonable thing for most people to take your stance and not get vacc…

This comment avoids the facts noted in the linked article, which seem to point to perpetual immunity of anyone who was infected by SARS-CoV-2 in the past.

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Post by JPKab »

heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

I'm in a pretty weird position right now myself.

I caught it in mid-February with mild symptoms basically just loss of smell. I have very high antibodies and my physician actually recommended that I hold off on getting the vaccine.

Unfortunately, I have several co-workers who refuse to attend a picnic if I'm there. All of them are vaccinated which indicates to me that there is no logic and simply a demand that I adhere to the same religion they do.

Because honestly it's sure feels like a religion with these people.

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Post by mlyle »

toolz wrote: post #45
olivierlacan wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PCR tests don't detect antibodies, they detect active virus. Antibody tests may be what you're thinking of. See: https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/coronavirus-d... I don't know the answer to your question, but it would make sense unless the antibody test(s) look for a specific type of antibody to COVID-19 that is produced naturally when infected and not just any antibodies that might be produced when vac…

incorrect, PCR tests detect any virus matter - active or otherwise. This is a very important distinction since we've seem to lost our minds collectively and label PCR tests with a cycle threshold of >40 as a true positive.

"lost our minds collectively" -- no, made a sane tradeoff in the sensitivity vs. specificity ratio when the disease is common. It's not like the sensitivity is wonderful even with a large number of PCR cycles, and the false positive rate was not too bad.

As the disease becomes less common, it makes sense to turn down the sensitivity of the test. Base rate fallacy, yada yada.

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Post by gurleen_s »

nednar wrote: post #48

If recovered people have longer term protection than vaccinated people (which is one possible interpretation of the headline's statement), would it make sense to first vaccinate someone and then expose them to the real virus, thereby generating the benefits with a much much lower risk or maybe even zero risk?

I don’t know anything about how effective that might be, but I imagine the logistics of transporting a live, deadly virus would be a nightmare.
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