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Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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The common consensus among scientists now is that the vaccine works against most if not all variants as well.

The vaccine, yes. But I'm not sure there's such consensus around homegrown antibodies.

The vaccine elicits homegrown anti-bodies. It's the same anti-bodies.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

But you _did_ catch covid so being careful isn't always enough. I don't think it's emotional or unreasonable for your family to require the vaccine before you visit. Also, I'm not suggesting that you will "kill everyone" by not getting the vaccine, but it really isn't just about you and that you personally will probably recover. Do you think it's a reasonable thing for most people to take your stance and not get vacc…

The person you are responding to is not *most people". They had the virus and they recovered.

The vaccine is intended to create immunity in people who don't already have it because they haven't already caught the virus.

This really isn't complicated.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

> I have continuously been near or around folks that have come down with Covid and have yet to encounter a second infection or positive test since my initial infection. I look forward to when greater fact-based realities start to take hold again.

People can get covid twice [1]. Especially older people who are at higher risk of death.

[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00502-w

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

But you _did_ catch covid so being careful isn't always enough. I don't think it's emotional or unreasonable for your family to require the vaccine before you visit. Also, I'm not suggesting that you will "kill everyone" by not getting the vaccine, but it really isn't just about you and that you personally will probably recover. Do you think it's a reasonable thing for most people to take your stance and not get vacc…

> Do you think it's a reasonable thing for most people to take your stance and not get vaccinated?

As with any other disease, it is reasonable (and expected) for everyone who had covid to not get vaccinated, given that the immunity you get from having the disease is always better than what you'd get from a vaccine.

That this is even considered controversial by some people just goes to show you how far our science education has failed us.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you _did_ catch covid so being careful isn't always enough. I don't think it's emotional or unreasonable for your family to require the vaccine before you visit. Also, I'm not suggesting that you will "kill everyone" by not getting the vaccine, but it really isn't just about you and that you personally will probably recover. Do you think it's a reasonable thing for most people to take your stance and not get vacc…

The thing that I find so wrong about this type of argument is that the vaccine is not proven to prevent spreading the virus. It is only proven to stop the onset of COVID-19 after one contracts the virus. So the line of reasoning that argues one should get vaccinated to stop the spread of SARS-CoV-2 is not valid. Edit: Wow - the downvotes... There is some evidence that transmission is reduced, but it is not proven: "t…

I'm not sure why people keep saying this. The original studies did not study if the vaccine prevents spread, that is true. I'm not certain myself, but I believe that studies done based on COVID spread in countries where vaccination rates are high (at least Israel) point to the direction that it prevents spread as well. Are these not valid data points?

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you _did_ catch covid so being careful isn't always enough. I don't think it's emotional or unreasonable for your family to require the vaccine before you visit. Also, I'm not suggesting that you will "kill everyone" by not getting the vaccine, but it really isn't just about you and that you personally will probably recover. Do you think it's a reasonable thing for most people to take your stance and not get vacc…

The thing that I find so wrong about this type of argument is that the vaccine is not proven to prevent spreading the virus. It is only proven to stop the onset of COVID-19 after one contracts the virus. So the line of reasoning that argues one should get vaccinated to stop the spread of SARS-CoV-2 is not valid. Edit: Wow - the downvotes... There is some evidence that transmission is reduced, but it is not proven: "t…

I thought I read that it was proven to significantly reduce the likelihood of infection as well as completely eliminate the risk of hospitalization if you do get infected. Admittedly, the media coverage was abysmal (everyone was just quoting “90% effective” without clarifying “effective at what?”).

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

Arguments against your case:

* Outlets had previously been reporting that mild cases do not give enough immune response to be lasting

* Variants might not be caught by the natural immune response, but the vaccines are showing to be pretty effective with them.

* Many people also think it's selfish not to get the free flu vaccines each year, so it isn't surprising that after a pandemic where half a million Americans died due to the spread of this disease, "No I'm good" seems callous. Surprise, you live in a society - and I don't say that sentence ironically.

Yes, science and reality is important. That's why the fact that the vaccine is a sure shot vs. you winging it with your prior illness, despite the fact the vaccines are overwhelmingly safe, gives some people pause.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you _did_ catch covid so being careful isn't always enough. I don't think it's emotional or unreasonable for your family to require the vaccine before you visit. Also, I'm not suggesting that you will "kill everyone" by not getting the vaccine, but it really isn't just about you and that you personally will probably recover. Do you think it's a reasonable thing for most people to take your stance and not get vacc…

The thing that I find so wrong about this type of argument is that the vaccine is not proven to prevent spreading the virus. It is only proven to stop the onset of COVID-19 after one contracts the virus. So the line of reasoning that argues one should get vaccinated to stop the spread of SARS-CoV-2 is not valid. Edit: Wow - the downvotes... There is some evidence that transmission is reduced, but it is not proven: "t…

Not proven, but looking increasingly likely. From your own link to the CDC, "A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) are less likely to have asymptomatic infection or to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others."

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Does anybody have any ideas as to what this means for people who've had COVID and then get vaccinated with one of the mRNA vaccines? If not, is anyone studying this?

There's some evidence that a second dose of mRNA vaccine isn't necessary if you were infected with Covid. >People who have already had confirmed covid-19 might only need a single dose of a mRNA vaccine, two small studies have indicated. Two weeks after a single dose of vaccine, people who had previously had covid-19 had antibody concentrations that were as high, or up to 10 times higher, than the levels seen in uninf…

This is important when vaccine supplies are limited (in some places in the world that's the case), but not if they aren't.

"Since then, one study after another has reinforced the single-vaccine-for-survivors idea, though some skeptics have pointed out that it is logistically simpler to just give everyone two doses than to figure out who needs only one...Cheng at Cedars-Sinai said she would still default to the CDC guidance calling for two vaccines, even for people who have had COVID-19. The data does suggest, however, that one dose could be enough"

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/04/18/world/coronavir...

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you _did_ catch covid so being careful isn't always enough. I don't think it's emotional or unreasonable for your family to require the vaccine before you visit. Also, I'm not suggesting that you will "kill everyone" by not getting the vaccine, but it really isn't just about you and that you personally will probably recover. Do you think it's a reasonable thing for most people to take your stance and not get vacc…

Vaccinate the high risk people then.

This doesn't work because non-vaccinated people will breed variants, which the original vaccine won't work on.
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