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Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by sschueller »

heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

In Switzerland the government does not want people who have had covid within the last six months to get the vaccination.

Additionally if you do want to get the vaccination after 6 month they only want you to get 1 shot not 2.

Does the US not differentiate between those who have had it and those that didn't?

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by Frost1x »

skrowl wrote: post #93
yostrovs wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment avoids the facts noted in the linked article, which seem to point to perpetual immunity of anyone who was infected by SARS-CoV-2 in the past.

It's strange how the same people who scream "TRUST THE SCIENCE" the loudest seem to ignore your body naturally producing antibodies to Covid after you've been infected and recovered. You simply don't need a vaccine to help your body produce antibodies if you already have them. Not just for covid 19 but for anything. Don't let anyone shame you or pressure you into getting a vaccine that you're not comfortable getting.

>It's strange how the same people who scream "TRUST THE SCIENCE" the loudest seem to ignore your body naturally producing antibodies to Covid after you've been infected and recovered.

It's not strange at all. Human beings have probably been doing this since not too long after languages developed:

Do 'X' because 'Y', since 'Y' is in agreement with my opinion and personal interests of you doing 'X'.

'Y' may be science, religion, math, emotion, whatever. The point is that many people will push information they want pushed with and later contradict themselves if need be as long as they can consistently push the information they want. The arguments and rationale are usually secondary, not the primary driver.

Politicians do this a lot. It's lying in the form of intellectual dishonesty or sheer ignorance. Many highly religious people push firm accordance with their religion or their interpretation of their religion, while allowing their own desires to shape those ground rules: they pick and choose which rules to follow literally and which to interpret, and so on.

There are a lot of people out peddling things in the name of science but they don't understand science: evidence, process, uncertainty, etc. When it comes to COVID we've learned a lot but there's still a lot of uncertainty around a lot of aspects in various studies and we need to understand that with humility and act accordingly.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by silvester23 »

kyleblarson wrote: post #105
eplanit wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"get the vaccine or you are a bad citizen and will kill everyone" Yep. Notice how the "follow science" phrase isn't used anymore. It's now just a demand to comply, or else you're a horrible person.

And it's especially ironic given that most of the shaming is coming from the 'my body my choice' proponents on other issues.

If you are referring to a pro-choice stance, I don't think that's really comparable to a situation where your choice can severely affect not only yourself but all people around you.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by skeeter2020 »

heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

>> I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick.

a. you caught covid, so does your approach work?

b. you are often ill and contagious before you have any symptoms so unless you never go out this isn't sufficient

c. you get vaccinated and a flu shot for the holistic group, i.e. society. When individuals talk about personal rights and the "me" I question if they get this.

>> I have continuously been near or around folks that have come down with Covid and have yet to encounter a second infection or positive test since my initial infection. I look forward to when greater fact-based realities start to take hold again.

OK, here's one: your casual anecdote is not a factual reality.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by sigstoat »

mfer wrote: post #53
nednar wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said after recovery you need vaccine? Probably you just need to share official documentation from your government and official health body with your family. Afaik, recovered and vaccinated are treated the same currently.

I asked about this. The response I got was that many people who got COVID had a mild case where the immune system did not kick in very strongly. That these are more likely to get a 2nd infection. The vaccine for them will give them coverage from a second infection. They want everyone to get the vaccine so that people aren't missed who had a mild case. Right or wrong, this is the reasoning being shared where I live.

> They want everyone to get the vaccine so that people aren't missed who had a mild case.

i feel like "mild case" (also) subtly refers to all of the folks who said "oh, yeah, i had a cold in december 2019, that was probably covid. i've had it. no big deal."

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by epistasis »

JPKab wrote: post #68
heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

I'm in a pretty weird position right now myself. I caught it in mid-February with mild symptoms basically just loss of smell. I have very high antibodies and my physician actually recommended that I hold off on getting the vaccine. Unfortunately, I have several co-workers who refuse to attend a picnic if I'm there. All of them are vaccinated which indicates to me that there is no logic and simply a demand that I adhe…

For understanding people's responses to this, I think it's best to think of it as a war. The human race is under attack, millions of us have died, and we are hurting emotionally. During this time, we've had politicians actively say we should just give up and let the enemy kill 10x as many people, and enough people have followed these politicians' views to effect the deaths of at least hundreds of thousands in the US.

This may not be your view, but it is the view of many, that we are under attack, and people's lives are at stake. A ton of people have lost loved ones. Or they've had loved ones at deaths door and on oxygen and suffering for weeks.

So while you view those vaccinated folks who don't want to be around unvaccinated people as having a "religion," it may be just that they view you as a traitor to humanity. Back during the Iraq war, I didn't support us starting it, and for that position many people treated me far far worse than simply not wanting to be at a company picnic with them. The people who treated me poorly for my views often had family who were in the military, and didn't want to think that they were putting their lives at risk for nothing. It wasn't even that the US itself was at risk, it's that they wanted their family to be risking their lives for a cause everyone supported. So when people have been fighting against a local enemy that is hurting us all, I'm surprised the reaction is so mild as to not want to be at the same picnic.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by skrowl »

Accacin wrote: post #114
skrowl wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's strange how the same people who scream "TRUST THE SCIENCE" the loudest seem to ignore your body naturally producing antibodies to Covid after you've been infected and recovered. You simply don't need a vaccine to help your body produce antibodies if you already have them. Not just for covid 19 but for anything. Don't let anyone shame you or pressure you into getting a vaccine that you're not comfortable getting.

What's your area of expertise regarding antibodies? I'm quite happy admitting that I do not know anything other than the basics and trust in experts in their respective fields instead.

It's literally in OP's linked article. Did you come here to comment without even clicking the link?

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by toolz »

mlyle wrote: post #69
toolz wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

incorrect, PCR tests detect any virus matter - active or otherwise. This is a very important distinction since we've seem to lost our minds collectively and label PCR tests with a cycle threshold of >40 as a true positive.

"lost our minds collectively" -- no, made a sane tradeoff in the sensitivity vs. specificity ratio when the disease is common. It's not like the sensitivity is wonderful even with a large number of PCR cycles, and the false positive rate was not too bad. As the disease becomes less common, it makes sense to turn down the sensitivity of the test. Base rate fallacy, yada yada.

here's a study showing above CT 32 not a single live virus was able to be cultured [1] - if this study accurately portrays reality then there's nothing resembling sanity with PCR CTs >40

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid...

(image from the study) https://i.imgur.com/AaZZIXM.png

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by jimbob21 »

seren wrote: post #86

From my understanding if you had an mRNA vaccine, your body was only exposed to an artificial spike protein, so effectively you have spike specific antibodies. On the other hand, if you had a real infection by the virus, you likely have antibodies for the spike protein and other part of the virus like the shell. So from my layman understanding, the immunity should be more resistant to a mutation of the spike protein.…

If she was out for a month and then again for a week, it sounds like a compromised immune system more than anything else, assuming she isn't elderly.

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Post by bassdropvroom »

peteradio wrote: post #60
mehphp wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you _did_ catch covid so being careful isn't always enough. I don't think it's emotional or unreasonable for your family to require the vaccine before you visit. Also, I'm not suggesting that you will "kill everyone" by not getting the vaccine, but it really isn't just about you and that you personally will probably recover. Do you think it's a reasonable thing for most people to take your stance and not get vacc…

Vaccinate the high risk people then.

Some people cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons.
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