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Woke at Work: Why tech firms are trying to run away from politics and failing

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Re: Woke at Work: Why tech firms are trying to run away from politics and failing

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Post by baryphonic »

permo-w wrote: post #942
maerF0x0 wrote: post #582

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I wonder if there is such a thing as a "politics free" job listing site?

Do you actually mean “politics free”, or do you mean “progressive politics free”? Because unless the website is made absolutely perfectly with exactly the right intentions, it will become parler or gab for jobs. Who are the people that care so much that they’ll choose a job based on it? Probably 80% hardline conservatives, 10% aggressively apolitical people and 10% unwoke left types like me But even if the other 20%…

> Who feels ostracised in their job? I’d say generally it’s the hardcore right-wing people who lean towards being poor communicators

I feel ostracized in my job. Of course, no one actually knows I'm right-wing at work, so they'll openly trash talk straw-man caricatures of my beliefs in front of me, which leads to further self-ostracism. I think that's the big lie of the progressive elite we have today: it pretends to be inclusive and preaches "bring your whole self to work," but in reality this is all just another status hierarchy to climb.

But I likewise haven't been a fan of Parler and Gab. If I were to guess, one of the YouTube clones will succeed first before something like Parler or Gab.

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Post by eloff »

mbrodersen wrote: post #914
eloff wrote: post #255

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I feel like this is true, especially of younger generations, in many rich countries. I think maybe because it takes challenge and pain to grow and things have been quite comfortable for a long time for many. It could just be my perception. But I've never seen so much anxiety, such reluctance to do hard things, and such inability to focus. Social media may be largely to blame.

It is not just your opinion. Read the book “antifragile”.

I haven't read that one, but I've seen Taleb talking about it on Youtube, it makes plenty of sense.

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Post by tha0xb2 »

nradov wrote: post #454
GeneralMayhem wrote: post #150

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This is a really disingenuous false equivalency. First, you're implying that all opinions are equally valid. That is... I'll be polite and simply call it nonsense. "Gay people should have rights" and "gay people shouldn't have rights" are not opinions of equal value, and it's not "eating your cake and having it too" to say that the latter opinion is unwelcome. Second, there's a very clear relationship between the "le…

Your opinion is not valid. Guns aren't necessarily political. Should I refrain from asking work colleagues who they think is likely to medal in the 2021 Olympics women's skeet shooting event?

>Guns aren't necessarily political.

Guns are absolutely 100% political. Their existence is political, and one political party doesn't want them to exist.

>Should I refrain from asking work colleagues who they think is likely to medal in the 2021 Olympics women's skeet shooting event?

Yes, because it's a privilege to be able to shoot guns. Also, guns trigger me, so please do not talk about subjects which disproportionately affect minorities, like guns.

Does this sound familiar?

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Post by slashdev »

avianlyric wrote: post #729
slashdev wrote: post #243

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Fully agree. It seems so stupid. Why do people care about what color the emoji is? Don't they have real problems?

People want their written expressions to match their personal identities. Is that really too much to ask for?

Yes. They're playing the identity politics game, and that's a gross game. Shame on them.

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Post by eloff »

anigbrowl wrote: post #619
slashdev wrote: post #243

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Fully agree. It seems so stupid. Why do people care about what color the emoji is? Don't they have real problems?

One could equally ask why it bothers you so much - don't you have any real problems? People don't need permission for their aesthetic tastes.

This is not about aesthetic tastes. It's about identifying as part of a group based on skin pigment color. I thought we've moved past that shit.

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Post by kbelder »

j_wtf_all_taken wrote: post #960
foolfoolz wrote: post #873

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i can’t stand this argument. if your not actively trying to X then you support Y. it’s cherry picked grandstanding. its a way to single people out without a conversation. cancel culture in the microcosm. you do not have to act in any specific way to hold some political beliefs and no one should judge you for your beliefs

But it can sometimes be true in the sense that if you do not support X, you are willing to let Y happen. Things like climate change, mask wearing and stuff. You can hate that argument, people can still accuse you of it and they might be right.

Keyword 'might'.

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Post by pixxel »

tekknik wrote: post #956
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> You must know that Joe Rogan is a polarizing figure and posting him in any but a right-wing community is going to be a troll for reactions. That doesn’t strike me as “bizarre,” it strikes me as the obvious outcome for your choice. This is interesting to me, because I found out about Joe Rogan from some liberal friends that were recommending him. Doesn’t Joe label himself as. liberal? Why does the left hate Joe?

> Why does the left hate Joe?

Do they? All I see are a small vocal minority hellbent on tearing the fabric of society apart, amplified by the media who make money from pitting us against each other.

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Post by kbelder »

darkhorse22 wrote: post #78
nailer wrote: post #62

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To me it seemed less racist when we all had yellow hands. Then again I think poc is a silly term - non Europeans have completely different experiences and cultures from each other even within the US.

It's surely a firable offense, but part of me is so tempted to give a dark-skin-tone thumbs up in Slack as a white guy.

Giving the (somewhat silly) existence of all the colors of emoji, I think the best solution would be to have the software randomly pick a color every time one is displayed.

That's the best 'race doesn't matter' statement.

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Post by silexia »

thu2111 wrote: post #957
permo-w wrote: post #938

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>neo-marxist orthodoxy This is one my main gripes with conservatives right now. You go to any of the places you congregate and alongside the more reasonable scepticism towards woke culture, there’s this constant talk of the rise of “neo-marxism” I have seen zero evidence for this. None Besides very basic issues like minimum wage, on the whole, the new left does not care about economics. There’s the occasional “bad ca…

Not quite. BLM in particular is called Marxist because the people who actually organize that movement have called themselves "trained Marxists" and the British BLM website for a while claimed their goals involved overthrowing capitalism and the nuclear family. If you don't think BLM is Marxist that's understandable because those facts didn't get much attention, but, they definitely are. Adopting a clenched fist as a…

Wow, both the parent comment and grandparent comment here are the best of HN - extremely well reasoned thoughts with different perspectives. Thank you for sharing!

Re: Woke at Work: Why tech firms are trying to run away from politics and failing

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Post by silexia »

cutemonster wrote: post #934
chitowneats wrote: post #899

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I'll copy my example from below: "There are still many of us out there who believe that hiring candidates based on their race is not healthy for society, the company, or any individual candidate. That opinion is largely being stamped out, by design, in management at the orgs I'm talking about. This has nothing to do with not wanting to step up and manage."

Ok, interesting to hear Personally I think I like blind job applications (ie where the name, ethnicity, gender, age etc of the job applicants is held unknown for the interviewers, as long as possible), which it seems to me that you like too

I agree, this removes racism. Having one side be racist in hiring against whites will lead to a backlash from whites against others.
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