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I'm just trying to wrap my head around how skewed a poll taken by "a diversity consultancy" would conclude that: "... two-thirds of adults in America want to be able to discuss racial-justice issues at work."
This sort of stuff happens when society reaches a level of prosperity so high that it starts worrying about nonsense None of this happens in Mexico The US needs to import fresh blood and fresh brains if it wants to survive. Less people studying social trends and more studying consumer trends.
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> The point of a workplace is to come together to fulfill the aims of the entrepreneurs. The personal aims of the workers are fulfilled best outside of work. What? I can’t be the only one who works directly in order to fulfill my needs (like literally my most basic needs, think food and shelter).
I was about to say, this is the most chilling HN sentence I’ve ever read. The totality of our existence from 8-5 is not owed to someone who profits from our labor and skills because they got lucky with some seed money or an inheritance a decade ago. That’s just the divine right of kings with extra steps.
They may tolerate (and even enjoy) your personal quirks and causes, but they are paying you to get things done that they don't have the time or skill to do themselves.
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Advocating for what things exactly? It might be a strawman, but I’m going to guess and it would be something like an end to perceived workplace raceism/sexism/*isms. If you let in political advocacy movements from the left do you really want political movements from the right? Or is it just ok if the left is advocating for it? I kinda think the left is trying to have their equity cake and eat it too… To some people (…
Isn’t ending workplace sexism/racism a net benefit to the workplace? How are divisive, hate driven policies related?
Yeah buddy, I agree, hate-driven divisive ideology has no business being forced on workers in the workplace, that's why people are pissed off about all this Woke crap
What I learned recently is that a lot of the "woke" efforts in these large public companies are directed by boards who are answering to Wall St, who are answering to elites and politicians. It's no wonder none of the "wokism" feels so in-your-face instead of genuine and organic.
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Political opinions are not protected in the same way, nor should they be, as the protected classes you cite (gender identity, sexual orientation, ethnicity, etc).
Oh, really? I am not from the US, so I am a bit ignorant about the laws there. In France it is illegal to discriminate against an employee because of his political views. It is not allowed to ask.
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Well his comment was greyed out from downvotes and nothing he said was wrong, just there's a different atmosphere for everyone. His views aligned with a libertarian which I think were once accepted here. It's gotten more leftist here for sure. Part of woke socialism/marxism is shouting dissenters down, downvoting in this case.
That was my assumption. Just wanted to pull more focus into what was occurring. Then, as if on cue, they proved your point by instantly down voted you!
Trick is to always use a throwaway, apparently it's needed if you have an opposing political viewpoint to the mob.
This conversation has cost me 6 social credits. I will have to entertain the mob and gain more, otherwise I drop to zero into the abyss.
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As a PoC, I’ve also fielded those comments from white co-workers and it honestly feels like a contemporary version of being blind to race.
To me it seemed less racist when we all had yellow hands. Then again I think poc is a silly term - non Europeans have completely different experiences and cultures from each other even within the US.
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It’s well worth reading up on the details of the Basecamp disaster. At every point in the process, it was about work. How people behaved at work, how clients were treated, how people reacted to feedback, how information was communicated. It may have been “politics” but it was in no way separable from Basecamp‘s core business.
From having read about the details: someone took a list making fun of mainly European (‘white’ in American) names and posted an image saying mocking people leads to genocide. Yes this is easily separable from making productivity tools.
I think the people who brought the pyramid into the equation were pointing out how individual behaviors, in aggregate, lead to greater possibilities of increased oppression. I think it’s a simplification to say that they lead to genocide, because those sorts of results are dependent on many other factors (ie economic problems, political instability, etc). When combined, these factors result in greater oppression.
More apropos to the conversation regarding workplaces, I would consider them evolving into institutions where certain cultural norms are upheld. The more institutions within which a certain cultural norm is respected by individuals, the more other people/institutions in power have leeway to move in certain directions.
[1] https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/pyramid-of...
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Political opinions are not protected in the same way, nor should they be, as the protected classes you cite (gender identity, sexual orientation, ethnicity, etc).
Oh, really? I am not from the US, so I am a bit ignorant about the laws there. In France it is illegal to discriminate against an employee because of his political views. It is not allowed to ask.
https://sanfordheisler.com/can-you-be-fired-for-your-politic...