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Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by brundolf »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #108
brundolf wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine being the engineer who has to keep maintaining the IE codebase for the next 8 years. [shudders]

While I wouldn't want to do it, if you've been working on that codebase for years and you're no longer young and fired up about always going for the latest things, it could be a good way to sunset your career. A guaranteed position using technology you understand rather than being thrown out into the job market, struggling to get up to date on the latest programming fads so you can compete with people half your age,…

That's fair! I guess I just assume the codebase is terrible (not just because of age, but also judging by the end-product) and will remain terrible; why would you do a refactor, or optimize something, or add new features when it's become a niche project that nobody likes and is on its way out? It's probably just patching over critical bugs from here forward

It's not just about doing something new; a bad codebase that I don't have the opportunity to genuinely improve is probably the most miserable type of project I can possibly think of

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by detritus »

munk-a wrote: post #107
detritus wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going a bit further back, IE 5 and 6 were the best browser by far. Strange for me to think that my now-beloved Firefox has its heritage embedded in Netscape, which at the same time as IE5 was an absolute pig. - ed for some reason I have it in mind as IE5.5 specifically that was The Great IE.

I have a version of myself aged in their twenties and working in web development that really wants to stab anyone believing that IE6 was the best browser. I won't argue that it wasn't decent at launch, but MS kept support for that browser around way too long and failed to actually roll out support for new features that customers desired. I believe it was the era of IE6 specifically that led to the proliferation of to…

Oh, don't get me wrong - it was a Trojan Horse, and my first ever web browsing experience was on Navigator, so it was a hard-hearted appreciation at the time.

But from my stand point then, It Just Worked.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by cpeterso »

nikanj wrote: post #97
dheera wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FireFox?

Do you have any links to documentation for automating FF?

Some options for automating website tests in Firefox:

WebDriver: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/WebDriver

Marionette: https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/testing/marionette/I...

Puppeteer: https://www.infoq.com/news/2020/04/puppeteer-3-firefox-suppo...

I haven't used these tools, so I don't know which is "best" or why so many different tools are needed. :)

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by adventured »

detritus wrote: post #86
skrebbel wrote: post #74

I smell a lot of nostalgia in this thread, and rightfully so! IE has been a terrible browser, but it was our terrible browser. But fear not! Outlook still uses the HTML parsing engine from MS Word (!) to display your HTML emails, and it's not going anywhere.

Going a bit further back, IE 5 and 6 were the best browser by far. Strange for me to think that my now-beloved Firefox has its heritage embedded in Netscape, which at the same time as IE5 was an absolute pig. - ed for some reason I have it in mind as IE5.5 specifically that was The Great IE.

It was IE 5.5 that was particularly a champ compared to the terrible Netscape Communicator / Netscape 4 product. I continued to regularly use Netscape 4 through those years, as I didn't like IE, and it was a real dog in most every respect. Netscape took their eye off the ball in an attempt to further build their business away from the browser (Communicator of course was their suite attempt), and failed at both things in the process.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by Uehreka »

brundolf wrote: post #95
jefftk wrote: post #15

By moving to Microsoft Edge, you get everything described above plus you’ll be able to extend the life of your legacy websites and apps well beyond the Internet Explorer 11 desktop application retirement date using IE mode. Internet Explorer mode in Microsoft Edge will be supported through at least 2029. While IE11 as an independent program is going away, the rendering engine is still around for 8+y. Here's hoping th…

Imagine being the engineer who has to keep maintaining the IE codebase for the next 8 years. [shudders]

I’m pretty sure almost no one is. There are tons of IE11 layout bugs (not missing features, straight-up bugs) that have not gotten fixed in 8 years. I get the vibe that MS may have totally cut off development and all but the most critical security maintenance in order to speed the plow of Edge adoption.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by theropost »

tinus_hn wrote: post #32
theropost wrote: post #27

As someone actually working in operations, and keeping our current suite of software/apps/etc compatable with these upgrades, I say - Microsoft, your documentation is very poor and lacking, and I have to invent fixes to your lack of effort... probably by design. It is annoying when we can quickly proof up software, and specialized utilities when consulting with business. It is wayyyy to much work to port from IE to E…

Sad trombone. You could have avoided all that if you had written the software to the standards and not to IE. Then you didn’t use the many years you got to transition. It’s way too much work to port your app? Well guess it isn’t that important after all. Because whether you want it or not, IE is a dead end and it’s going away.

Yup, that is the case - Gov. is slow to react with such poor funding. We tend to wait until our hand is forced, and support tons of legacy apps - if this was my own PC/network I would have been way ahead of this train wreck.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by djxfade »

easton wrote: post #80
skrebbel wrote: post #74

I smell a lot of nostalgia in this thread, and rightfully so! IE has been a terrible browser, but it was our terrible browser. But fear not! Outlook still uses the HTML parsing engine from MS Word (!) to display your HTML emails, and it's not going anywhere.

When Outlook becomes a PWA (currently in test, I think it's probably two-three years from stable), it'll be rendering mail with all the functionality of Blink. Which depending on your point of view, means a sigh of relief or time to buy more RAM. https://www.windowscentral.com/project-monarch-outlook-web-u...

But Gmail is already a web app, and only supports a tiny subset of modern HTML and CSS. The limitation is of course arbitrary, it could in theory support any modern standards. But HTML mail is so quirky and full of hacks, that they probably have to do it that way to preserve compatibility. Apple's Mail app is one of the few modern mail clients that can render modern HTML/CSS

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by Rodeoclash »

munk-a wrote: post #107
detritus wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going a bit further back, IE 5 and 6 were the best browser by far. Strange for me to think that my now-beloved Firefox has its heritage embedded in Netscape, which at the same time as IE5 was an absolute pig. - ed for some reason I have it in mind as IE5.5 specifically that was The Great IE.

I have a version of myself aged in their twenties and working in web development that really wants to stab anyone believing that IE6 was the best browser. I won't argue that it wasn't decent at launch, but MS kept support for that browser around way too long and failed to actually roll out support for new features that customers desired. I believe it was the era of IE6 specifically that led to the proliferation of to…

Compared to IE5 and Netscape Navigator 4, it was a great browser!

The issue was the length of time that it stuck around for.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by nly »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #108
brundolf wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine being the engineer who has to keep maintaining the IE codebase for the next 8 years. [shudders]

While I wouldn't want to do it, if you've been working on that codebase for years and you're no longer young and fired up about always going for the latest things, it could be a good way to sunset your career. A guaranteed position using technology you understand rather than being thrown out into the job market, struggling to get up to date on the latest programming fads so you can compete with people half your age,…

What makes you think they won't just lump it on a couple of juniors who rarely ever touch it, and even then only for critical bugfixes?

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by willhslade »

ma2rten wrote: post #72
droptablemain wrote: post #57

I was assigned a Trello task the other day to go ahead and put up a warning to IE users (until August). It was one of the most satisfying tasks I've ever received. I can't wait to go through the app with a machete and whack away all the sloppy IE compatibility code.

That reminds me of a story where in 2009 some rouge youtube employees put up a warning that IE6 would be deprecated: https://blog.chriszacharias.com/a-conspiracy-to-kill-ie6

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