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Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by superjan »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #23
userbinator wrote: post #18

I hope someone finds a way to use its interface with a better rendering engine, which I think is the best part of IE - no infantile HUGE buttons, patronising error messages, or other dumbed-down things, just a serious UI with good ideas like per-zone trust security settings and user stylesheets built-in. It also doesn't have gobs of phone-home "telemetry". (Firefox is a close second but is clearly starting to become…

I am genuinely curious, what do you think is the end game of this apparent conspiracy by browser creators to reduce the intelligence of users through simplified user interfaces? They will convince them to buy more things... somehow? And that benefits the browser creators... somehow?

It is undeniably happening. One benefit is you ship the same UI for all screens. For several billion people, the power user features mostly serve to shoot themselves in the foot, and then they blame the browser manufacturer. On their phone the software either works, or it does not without explanation, in which case you need an expert, and for most people this is perceived as an improvement. Desktop software development is pushed in the same direction. Fewer people complain, and its a lot simpler than doing fine grained settings and informative error messages.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by ma2rten »

droptablemain wrote: post #57

I was assigned a Trello task the other day to go ahead and put up a warning to IE users (until August). It was one of the most satisfying tasks I've ever received. I can't wait to go through the app with a machete and whack away all the sloppy IE compatibility code.

That reminds me of a story where in 2009 some rouge youtube employees put up a warning that IE6 would be deprecated:

https://blog.chriszacharias.com/a-conspiracy-to-kill-ie6

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by skrebbel »

cies wrote: post #43
mmastrac wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like the stuff I worked on 15 years ago in the oil and gas sector (in fairness, IE + applets _were_ the best choice at the time).

> IE + applets _were_ the best choice at the time Depends on the constraints. Qt was around and mature for many years in 2006. Ruby on Rails had it's first release mid 2004. Django mid-2005. Again it depends on the constrains, what you can "the best choice in 2006" is limping now. Meanwhile an app built in 2006 on Qt/RoR/Django would be on a platform that is currently still being considered for green field devt. With…

I don't think any of this was obvious in 2006.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by skrebbel »

I smell a lot of nostalgia in this thread, and rightfully so! IE has been a terrible browser, but it was our terrible browser.

But fear not! Outlook still uses the HTML parsing engine from MS Word (!) to display your HTML emails, and it's not going anywhere.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by JohnBooty »

gogopuppygogo wrote: post #69
JohnBooty wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

relegated to old grayhair horror stories. The real shame of IE's passing is that we'll forget the lessons we learned and therefore repeat that particular disaster. It's already happening. I'd be happy to relegate the nightmare of IE to old war stories... except the same thing is happening today! Different method, nearly the same end result. We nearly lost the damn open web to the horror of IE6 and the peak "embrace,…

Chromium is open source… Seems like a better approach in every way than the old mosaic/trident closed source mess.

There are obvious benefits to Chromium being open-source, but you're kidding yourself if you think that gives you an ounce of control over the direction of web standards and the web as a whole.

Sure, you can look at (most of) Chrome's source code, and fork it all day long if you want. But it will amount to little when it comes to actual control of the web. You simply won't have the marketshare to steer the direction of the web standards themselves.

The end result will be the same as we suffered with IE's dominance: de facto control of the web by a single entity.

But at least the ride to hell will be nicer.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by xsc »

wrikl wrote: post #70
shaicoleman wrote: post #28

FYI, You can send an email to Microsoft requesting the your website will automatically reopen in Edge when someone visits it with IE https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/web-platform...

TIL - this is cool! Do you know if there's a way to see that XML list they mention anywhere publically? I can't find a link to it on that page. I guess it should be possible to spin up IE11 in a VM on macOS and inspect the network, but would be nice to take a look and see which sites are on there.

https://edge.microsoft.com/neededge/v1

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by jefft255 »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #47
gibolt wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really curious what client requirements drove that decision. 'In development'. Does this mean v1 hasn't even shipped yet?

>Does this mean v1 hasn't even shipped yet? yes

That sounds just unbelievable to me, and I've worked at government agency doing Lotus Note programming on Windows XP past EoL. What was the decision process like, to decide to create a new Java applet in 2021??

Edit: I've seen a later comment mentioning it was started a while ago. But still... this is a dead platform. To me this is on the level of launching a new app targeting Windows XP. It's just a disaster

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by easton »

skrebbel wrote: post #74

I smell a lot of nostalgia in this thread, and rightfully so! IE has been a terrible browser, but it was our terrible browser. But fear not! Outlook still uses the HTML parsing engine from MS Word (!) to display your HTML emails, and it's not going anywhere.

When Outlook becomes a PWA (currently in test, I think it's probably two-three years from stable), it'll be rendering mail with all the functionality of Blink. Which depending on your point of view, means a sigh of relief or time to buy more RAM.

https://www.windowscentral.com/project-monarch-outlook-web-u...

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