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Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by stormbrew »

T-hawk wrote: post #144
wfhbata wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a terrible precedent to let people prolong a pandemic and endanger innocent people’s lives in the name of their personal liberties. If you don’t want to take measures to protect others, you can sit home for a while. It won’t kill you, and it won’t kill the people around you.

No, once everyone who wants it is vaccinated, their health is their problem not mine. If anyone is still scared of unvaccinated people, they can keep themselves at home forever, they don't get to force medical choices and restrictions on others.

If anyone is scared of getting vaccinated due to nonsense conspiracy theories, they can keep themselves at home forever, they don't get to force a deadly disease on others.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by sjf »

chrisco255 wrote: post #128
azinman2 wrote: post #125

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Why not require vaccination?

Liberty. It's a terrible a precedent to restrict freedom of movement on a forced personal health decision. It's basically subverting your body to the state.

I am going to assume you are American by the reference to liberty. Every US immigrant is /already/ required to have eight different vaccinations and a negative TB test. They quite literally take your blood before you can become a resident.

https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccin...

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by Buttons840 »

shalmanese wrote: post #114
Buttons840 wrote: post #74

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A claim referencing unspecified sources on the internet is essentially unfalsifiable. How does anyone debunk such a claim? Do a Google search and start on page 1?

You could ask more politely by showing you did the bare minimum of independent research before asking for a citation. 'That's an interesting assertion but I couldn't find anything backing it up searching for "SARS immunity 20 years" or "long lasting SARS immunity", do you have a cite I could read?' Even showing you've put in even the teensiest bit of effort makes people much more charitable about helping you.

I Googled "SARS immunity 20 years" and the first result is a research paper abstract[1] stating "SARS patients might be susceptible to reinfection >3 years after initial exposure".

How much effort do I spend assessing whether I believe this research paper? It's probably not what the OP had in mind since it conflicts with what they were saying. Do I make arguments from this paper (either for or against the OP's claim)? Again, it's probably not even what they were referring too.

I know just asking for a source is low effort, but it often seems like the best starting point.

[1]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2851497/

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by T-hawk »

stormbrew wrote: post #151
T-hawk wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, once everyone who wants it is vaccinated, their health is their problem not mine. If anyone is still scared of unvaccinated people, they can keep themselves at home forever, they don't get to force medical choices and restrictions on others.

If anyone is scared of getting vaccinated due to nonsense conspiracy theories, they can keep themselves at home forever, they don't get to force a deadly disease on others.

It's not deadly to the vaccinated. That's the whole point of the vaccines.

Or are you arguing that the vaccines don't work?

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by novaRom »

murkt wrote: post #134
sharken wrote: post #122

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Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. The travel pass is a horrible idea, that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. That should not be the european way.

> The travel pass is a horrible idea, that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. Good. It’s not like a concentration camp. There are other options if you don’t want to vaccinate. You can just stay at home (I’ve been declined Schengen visa in the past for no reason), you can get PCR-tested. You also can get ill with Covid and then recover (hopefully).

Do labs store collected DNA results of PCR? I wonder if a database of DNA of millions of people will emerge on black market one day.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by dagenix »

T-hawk wrote: post #154
stormbrew wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anyone is scared of getting vaccinated due to nonsense conspiracy theories, they can keep themselves at home forever, they don't get to force a deadly disease on others.

It's not deadly to the vaccinated. That's the whole point of the vaccines. Or are you arguing that the vaccines don't work?

Vaccines work - but they are not 100% effective. If an unvaccinated, COVID positive person comes in close contact with 100 people that are vaccinated, a number of them will get sick. Way less than had they not been vaccinated. But way more than is acceptable.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by krrrh »

melling wrote: post #84
Exmoor wrote: post #66

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There's been plenty of unforced errors on the part of the government agencies. Claiming that masks don't help because they didn't want average citizens to buy them all up and still saying you shouldn't wear a K/N95 mask come to mind. Also, the horrific early failures with broken tests and bans on testing anyone who hadn't been in a specific area of China until it was far too late. Heck, the CDC just this week finally…

Beginning in early April 2020, everyone promoted the usage of masks. It’s unfortunate that we were worried about consumers buying all the medical masks but in March 2020, it was a legitimate concern

It was a legitimate concern and a ruinous strategy.

I believe that competent leadership could have rallied the public to the cause of reserving PPE for hospitals for a month. Even if you don't believe in the basic nobility of the common person, congress could easily have passed emergency confiscatory legislation to pull all PPE off consumer markets without public health officials knowingly misrepresenting the truth.

Trust in institutions was already low at the start of this, and the sort of misdirection that a series of supposedly noble lies has evinced has taken it to a new low and left us where we are now.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by logicchains »

hboon wrote: post #110
maxerickson wrote: post #85

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but they are getting infected with Covid (which isn't so great). The US approved vaccines (so far) appear to be pretty good at preventing infection compared to lots of vaccines. There's an obvious level of (incomplete) protection present in the population at 50% vaccination. Cases aren't falling because we are getting more careful (but then the nicer weather could be helping).

FWIW, Singapore uses Pfzer-BioNTech and Moderna. There's a scary situation happening here now for the last 2 weeks or so. There has been new clusters popping up after having been relatively tame for a few months and safety measures have been tightened (slightly, but obviously) again. Some of these cases involve those that has been vaccinated. One lesson that we can learn from this is, coming from a city that is marke…

>coming from a city that is marketed as having handled the situation well

Marketing which is completely bullshit. Singapore has had around ~60k covid cases, 6x more than Hong Kong and 60x more than Taiwan, just somehow the government managed to downplay it as most of the cases were in poor migrant workers and apparently they don't count as people.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by anonytrary »

michaelmrose wrote: post #109
tuwtuwtuwtuw wrote: post #105

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Go to Google and search for "SARS-CoV-1 immunity". Is this not trivial?

The beginning of the thread where a citation was asked for and given is interesting. This continuing discussion on the matter is a tedious digression whichever side you are on.

Yeah that's my fault for making that quip. I am sorry it is getting upvoted, I forgot that humor isn't required here. @dang, can you please detach my comment and all the replies? Sorry about that.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by radu_floricica »

Cederfjard wrote: post #139
sharken wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. The travel pass is a horrible idea, that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. That should not be the european way.

> Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. > ... that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. Yup, that’s the point. No man is an island. You already can’t walk around doing literally whatever you want just because it’s your body you’re doing it with. You depend on other people, and other people depend on you (or at least can’t avoid intermingling with you, es…

I agree with your points, but I'd really really like to avoid giving the impression of... glee? "Look at those unwashed unvaccinated Trump supporters, so good they'll be forced to do things our ways now!". I'm not saying you're doing it, I'm just piggybacking on your comment.

I'm pretty much a high-modernist when it comes to vaccines - I think that having governments build sewage and create vaccines go into the same category of "damn useful for civilization". But it does involve curtailing liberties, and I just can't put it in a "fell good" category.

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