What’s the current understanding of the astronomical infection rate in Manaus, Brazil?
Awhile ago scientists were worried it was due to reinfection.
https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(21)00183-5/full...
Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19
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Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19
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The discussion is improved by having sources for key claims linked directly here. I'm glad the question was asked, especially since it was done so politely.
I worked on COVID epidemiology last year for a couple governments, so I am more familiar with the literature than most people. I don’t expect people to be as familiar as I am. However, the bane of my existence the last year have been people with strong opinions on “the science” on both sides that use “citation please” as a passive aggressive dismissal from a position of ignorance, and will promptly ignore any citatio…
Assume benign intent.
Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
The discussion is improved by having sources for key claims linked directly here. I'm glad the question was asked, especially since it was done so politely.
I worked on COVID epidemiology last year for a couple governments, so I am more familiar with the literature than most people. I don’t expect people to be as familiar as I am. However, the bane of my existence the last year have been people with strong opinions on “the science” on both sides that use “citation please” as a passive aggressive dismissal from a position of ignorance, and will promptly ignore any citatio…
It's probably easy for someone who knows what to look for, but I wouldn't even know where to start googling.
Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19
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There are several such studies, all trivially discoverable. Here is one published in Nature last year, where they specifically also studied cross reactivity of SARS-2003 immune response with SARS-2019: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z Asking for a citation for something so trivially discoverable is a weird flex.
It's not trivially discoverable if you don't know the best terminology to search for.
The question was about "SARS-CoV-1". I went to Google and typed SARS-CoV-1. Since I wanted to know about immunity I typed the letters "imm" and the first suggestion was "SARS-CoV-1 immunity duration". I clicked these and was immediately shown link to studies showing the very long duration.
This is trivially discoverable. Claiming that finding this information was not trivial appear dinhonest to me.
Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are several such studies, all trivially discoverable. Here is one published in Nature last year, where they specifically also studied cross reactivity of SARS-2003 immune response with SARS-2019: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z Asking for a citation for something so trivially discoverable is a weird flex.
Ridiculing someone for asking for a source for something you think is "trivial" is also a weird flex.
Go to Google and search for "SARS-CoV-1 immunity".
Is this not trivial?
Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are several such studies, all trivially discoverable. Here is one published in Nature last year, where they specifically also studied cross reactivity of SARS-2003 immune response with SARS-2019: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z Asking for a citation for something so trivially discoverable is a weird flex.
A claim referencing unspecified sources on the internet is essentially unfalsifiable. How does anyone debunk such a claim? Do a Google search and start on page 1?
If someone claim X and you are not familiar with the subject, why is your reaction "How do I debunk this claim?" rather than "How do I learn more about this?".
Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
The discussion is improved by having sources for key claims linked directly here. I'm glad the question was asked, especially since it was done so politely.
I worked on COVID epidemiology last year for a couple governments, so I am more familiar with the literature than most people. I don’t expect people to be as familiar as I am. However, the bane of my existence the last year have been people with strong opinions on “the science” on both sides that use “citation please” as a passive aggressive dismissal from a position of ignorance, and will promptly ignore any citatio…
So, you know:
* what keywords to search for
* how to quickly judge the reputation of a result
* how to assess the relevance of a result
Some of us don’t know any of the above.
Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19
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This sounds apocryphal. Second infections are incredibly rare , let alone three in twelve months. Like clockwork, every discussion of this matter on a discussion board brings out at least one person claiming to know people who have been re-infected, yet the number of confirmed examples is measured in the low hundreds, worldwide.
Confirmed examples perhaps, but if the reinvention rate is 1 in 1000 as stated elsewhere here then the true number worldwide is orders of magnitude higher than a few hundred.
It isn't 1 in 1000, or we'd be confirming far more than a few hundred examples. The lack of examples isn't for lack of trying to find them -- immunity escape is currently the #1 pre-occupation of every national health service around the globe.
The immune system works, and the failure cases here are truly exceptional, whereas the likelihood of rumor is high. Most of these "{my friend} got Covid twice" stories are either hearsay, or people imagining that their allergy symptoms were Covid, while never getting tested properly.
Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ridiculing someone for asking for a source for something you think is "trivial" is also a weird flex.
Go to Google and search for "SARS-CoV-1 immunity". Is this not trivial?
The beginning of the thread where a citation was asked for and given is interesting. This continuing discussion on the matter is a tedious digression whichever side you are on.
Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19
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This is key. Fully vaccinated people in Singapore aren't getting seriously sick (which is great!) but they are getting infected with Covid (which isn't so great). What that means is that fully vaccinated individuals can get infected and infect unvaccinated individuals . As such, your population won't be protected unless most people are vaccinated (80-90%+).
but they are getting infected with Covid (which isn't so great). The US approved vaccines (so far) appear to be pretty good at preventing infection compared to lots of vaccines. There's an obvious level of (incomplete) protection present in the population at 50% vaccination. Cases aren't falling because we are getting more careful (but then the nicer weather could be helping).
FWIW, Singapore uses Pfzer-BioNTech and Moderna.
There's a scary situation happening here now for the last 2 weeks or so. There has been new clusters popping up after having been relatively tame for a few months and safety measures have been tightened (slightly, but obviously) again. Some of these cases involve those that has been vaccinated. One lesson that we can learn from this is, coming from a city that is marketed as having handled the situation well — the world is far from being done with dealing with COVID.