But personalized ads offer so much value to customers! How could this have happened? All these poor users missing out on so, so much value.
Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5
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Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
But why does 50% are mostly fine with "only medical data is super special"? Your private data could be abused in a similar way. Also why not a law for full transparency? You can have all your freedom you want just be transparent about all the tracking and information selling or sharing that is happening. Can't you convince the free loving americans that a simpler GDPR that only requires full transparency is "very cap…
What Apple is doing here is the free market solution to invasive tracking. The GDPR was the government's solution to that. I'd much prefer the Apple solution which allows for a company to be _rewarded_ for taking a voluntary stance (a positive one!) on tracking, instead of coercing every business to follow a government mandated rule on something as relatively minor as advertising.
What Apple is doing is limited.
A law will force everyone (not limited to websites or mobile apps) to disclose if they track you, what data they track and who they share it with.
What Apple is doing is also a recent thing, so before this fancy privacy labels the market had no solution.
Let me know all the downsides to a transparency law and for each downside specify who is affected by the transparency.
Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's no harm in filming your daughter changing clothes at these booths we installed all over the beaches. We are keen at protecting her data and making sure her face stays blurred. If we'd stop the costs of going to beach would go up tremendously, so that's out the question.
You're probably joking, but the TSA has made that exact argument for their full-body scanners. >"The (body image scanning) technology is sent to the airports without the ability to save, transmit or print the images," said Greg Soule, TSA spokesman, in an interview with CBSNews.com. "At airports, the images are examined by a security officer in a remote location, and, once the image is cleared, they're deleted." http…
> The (body image scanning) technology is ... without the ability to ... transmit ... the images,"
> the images are examined by a security officer in a remote location
oh dear.
More seriously, at least TSA can at least make a proportionality type of argument, along the lines of, this invasion of privacy is justified on the grounds that it might save lives.
Adtech is just going to use it to try and figure out how to convince me to buy a motorized turnip twaddler.
Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, at least the putative negative consequences they're trying to avoid are exploded jetliners and hundreds of deaths, not "advertising would be somewhat less effective and profitable" (similar to all advertising before about 2002).
it's very charitable for you to accept at face value that that's what the TSA security theater is for
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Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
I disagree that Facebook makes it seem mandatory. Receiving their in-app popup yesterday brought me great joy in denying access.
Haha. I totally get that. But… I don’t think that popup was designed to get the HN folk to opt in but rather those that use Facebook (and Instagram, which has the same language) to communicate actively. It’s really the pre-prompt I’m referring to here, which, as one of its bullet points for why you should opt in, says it helps keep Facebook free. That’s a big statement to drop in a tiny bullet point, which makes me f…
I flatly refuse to have the Facebook app on any of my devices, and if they start charging to use it I'll happily delete my account.
Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5
#56It's great that Apple does this, but I think this should be mandated by law that tracking should be opt-in and for adult users only. I think people who decide to be tracked should also be compensated for their data.
That sounds like government interfering with the free market, which is completely unacceptable under any circumstance for ~50% of the population.
Government requiring car manufacturers fit seatbelts and airbags is intrusion in the free market. And a good one that saves hundreds of thousands of lives.
Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5
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Recently, a website I had only visited once somehow cross-referenced the cookies available through my browser to work out my email address & directly emailed me to invite me to sign up for their services. This has to be a GDPR violation, I certainly didn’t give consent for them to email me, but people are still doing this kind of thing apparently.
For years I had a professional email and a non-pro email address that I kept separated. Personal email for job applications/linkedin/bills etc, non-pro for regular surfing. It's worked great until last year. I think it's Google cuz I login from the same browser/device, but they eventually linked it and I'm now being contacted by recruiters via my non-pro email which pretty much unmasks me and my social media accounts…
I don't ever log in to my personal accounts on my work computer/phone or vice versa. Another perk of having a work only phone is that I can leave it at work or turn it off when not working.
Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5
#58What exactly is the benefit to the average user of not having apps track them? Most people seem to welcome more relevant advertisments, and a significant number of people in my social circle - even in Ukraine - like to purchase products directly from Instagram advertisments. If you can't make money from advertising, and paid apps have an enormous 15-30% commission, how exactly does anyone except Apple make money from…
I think you're framing it the wrong way. You should be asking: What's the benefit to the user (and advertisers too!) of all this tracking and data collection? Adtech often touts "relevant ads." But I think that's a red herring. I'm a fan of The Simpsons. That doesn't mean I want ads for Simpsons stuff following me from site to site. I'd probably get annoyed if I get Simpsons ads on a serious financial website. What's…
Not really. Well-crafted ads that convey a compelling message in context are fine the first time or two that you see them. Even the best ones get really irritating when they're played over and over and over, at which point they motivate me to ignore them.
Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, at least the putative negative consequences they're trying to avoid are exploded jetliners and hundreds of deaths, not "advertising would be somewhat less effective and profitable" (similar to all advertising before about 2002).
it's very charitable for you to accept at face value that that's what the TSA security theater is for
He doesn't. That's why it said putative.
Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Recently, a website I had only visited once somehow cross-referenced the cookies available through my browser to work out my email address & directly emailed me to invite me to sign up for their services. This has to be a GDPR violation, I certainly didn’t give consent for them to email me, but people are still doing this kind of thing apparently.
For years I had a professional email and a non-pro email address that I kept separated. Personal email for job applications/linkedin/bills etc, non-pro for regular surfing. It's worked great until last year. I think it's Google cuz I login from the same browser/device, but they eventually linked it and I'm now being contacted by recruiters via my non-pro email which pretty much unmasks me and my social media accounts…
I abandoned having a free (as in beer) mail account around the time google started doing their own advertising in gmail. At first I went for the ideology approach of fastmail, then tutanota/proton mail and finally runbox (or whatever the Norwegian service is called, which was my favorite by the way), but I just couldn’t live with going from gmail to any of those, and so I ended up with gsuite. When google decided to make having a gsuite for private usage harder, I switched to Office365 where I still have the smallest “only in browser” package.
I have to say that whole outlook isn’t as good as gmail, all the things evolving spam is super easy to handle with policies. I still have my old gmail address forwarding things that google would sort into “this is the relevant mails” part of its new inbox system, and 90% of it goes directly into my “unwanted stuff” or clutter or whatever it’s called in outlook.
As a benefit it also gave me a TB of storage and in browser office, and while I don’t use the office stuff much, I do use one drive to backup my photos because iCloud storage frankly is almost as expensive as the entire office365 account.