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Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by yabones »

minikites wrote: post #11
varispeed wrote: post #6

It's great that Apple does this, but I think this should be mandated by law that tracking should be opt-in and for adult users only. I think people who decide to be tracked should also be compensated for their data.

That sounds like government interfering with the free market, which is completely unacceptable under any circumstance for ~50% of the population.

The government absolutely has the authority to mandate safety measures. Corporations don't have the right to violate users' privacy and security, I see this as completely fair.

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by niij »

simion314 wrote: post #15
minikites wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like government interfering with the free market, which is completely unacceptable under any circumstance for ~50% of the population.

But why does 50% are mostly fine with "only medical data is super special"? Your private data could be abused in a similar way. Also why not a law for full transparency? You can have all your freedom you want just be transparent about all the tracking and information selling or sharing that is happening. Can't you convince the free loving americans that a simpler GDPR that only requires full transparency is "very cap…

What Apple is doing here is the free market solution to invasive tracking. The GDPR was the government's solution to that.

I'd much prefer the Apple solution which allows for a company to be _rewarded_ for taking a voluntary stance (a positive one!) on tracking, instead of coercing every business to follow a government mandated rule on something as relatively minor as advertising.

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by quenix »

arielm wrote: post #18
blakesterz wrote: post #9

I'm very curious how this works, so this is from a report [0] from Flurry Analytics, "owned by Verizon Media, is used in over 1 million mobile applications, providing aggregated insights across 2 billion mobile devices per month" How is Flurry Analytics measuring app tracking on iOS devices? Are they just reporting how much they themselves are being disabled? [0] https://www.flurry.com/blog/ios-14-5-opt-in-rate-att-r…

I believe so, which is why that % is very small. I’ve seen quite a few reports from different providers in the last couple of weeks and suspect the _real_ average of opt-ins is considerably higher. I’m hoping to see some numbers from Apple at WWDC, which I expect would be in the 30-50% opt-in. Why? Because some apps (like Facebook) make it seem like it’s mandatory to opt-in. And I believe that if you opt-in for Faceb…

I disagree that Facebook makes it seem mandatory. Receiving their in-app popup yesterday brought me great joy in denying access.

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by the_snooze »

Dma54rhs wrote: post #19
the_snooze wrote: post #12

>The challenge for personalized ads market will be significant if the first two weeks end up reflecting a long-term trend. Adtech is basically highly-paid people sniffing your underwear trying to figure out what you had for breakfast. And they get all indignant when you say "hey cut it out, that's kind of weird."

There's no harm in filming your daughter changing clothes at these booths we installed all over the beaches. We are keen at protecting her data and making sure her face stays blurred. If we'd stop the costs of going to beach would go up tremendously, so that's out the question.

You're probably joking, but the TSA has made that exact argument for their full-body scanners.

>"The (body image scanning) technology is sent to the airports without the ability to save, transmit or print the images," said Greg Soule, TSA spokesman, in an interview with CBSNews.com. "At airports, the images are examined by a security officer in a remote location, and, once the image is cleared, they're deleted."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/naked-body-scan-images-never-sa...

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by batch12 »

minikites wrote: post #11
varispeed wrote: post #6

It's great that Apple does this, but I think this should be mandated by law that tracking should be opt-in and for adult users only. I think people who decide to be tracked should also be compensated for their data.

That sounds like government interfering with the free market, which is completely unacceptable under any circumstance for ~50% of the population.

Something stating you own your data and can choose who to sell or not sell it to sounds pretty free market to me.

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by breakfastduck »

minikites wrote: post #11
varispeed wrote: post #6

It's great that Apple does this, but I think this should be mandated by law that tracking should be opt-in and for adult users only. I think people who decide to be tracked should also be compensated for their data.

That sounds like government interfering with the free market, which is completely unacceptable under any circumstance for ~50% of the population.

Free market!= Freedom to invade peoples privacy without regulation

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by arielm »

quenix wrote: post #23
arielm wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe so, which is why that % is very small. I’ve seen quite a few reports from different providers in the last couple of weeks and suspect the _real_ average of opt-ins is considerably higher. I’m hoping to see some numbers from Apple at WWDC, which I expect would be in the 30-50% opt-in. Why? Because some apps (like Facebook) make it seem like it’s mandatory to opt-in. And I believe that if you opt-in for Faceb…

I disagree that Facebook makes it seem mandatory. Receiving their in-app popup yesterday brought me great joy in denying access.

Haha. I totally get that.

But… I don’t think that popup was designed to get the HN folk to opt in but rather those that use Facebook (and Instagram, which has the same language) to communicate actively.

It’s really the pre-prompt I’m referring to here, which, as one of its bullet points for why you should opt in, says it helps keep Facebook free.

That’s a big statement to drop in a tiny bullet point, which makes me feel like they thought about it a lot. Meaning, it’s very targeted.

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by Terretta »

the_snooze wrote: post #24
Dma54rhs wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no harm in filming your daughter changing clothes at these booths we installed all over the beaches. We are keen at protecting her data and making sure her face stays blurred. If we'd stop the costs of going to beach would go up tremendously, so that's out the question.

You're probably joking, but the TSA has made that exact argument for their full-body scanners. >"The (body image scanning) technology is sent to the airports without the ability to save, transmit or print the images," said Greg Soule, TSA spokesman, in an interview with CBSNews.com. "At airports, the images are examined by a security officer in a remote location, and, once the image is cleared, they're deleted." http…

Of course, the images may not be deleted. Unless someone notices, such as with these 35,000 from Orlando:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2010/11/100_images_from_the_...

And an alleged insider discussion of how those "remote" viewers respect passenger privacy:

"Personally, in the I.O. room, I witnessed light sexual play among officers, a lot of e-cigarette vaping, and a whole lot of officers laughing and clowning in regard to some of your nude images, dear passengers."

https://takingsenseaway.wordpress.com/2012/12/19/letter-from...

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