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EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint

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Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint

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Why? That's hardly the fault of, say, the Swiss.

I don't disagree with you, but you couldn't really have picked a worst example (short of an an actual EU member country) given how their bilateral treaties with the EU means EU rules apply to do business in non-EU Switzerland.

That applies to EEA members too.

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Thats a violation of freemarket

Say you buy a can of Coke at Walmart. Would Coca-Cola be allowed to print on that can that it can be bought for less at 7-Eleven?

Wallmart and Appstore are not equivalents:

I don't need to accept a huge licence agreement before I enter a supermarket

If I were to piss off their staff and get banned from Wallmart, they don't get to take away everything I bought from Wallmart in the past 10 years.

If I buy a game from Walmart, and the game sell in game items, I don't need to call wallamrt employee to come to my house to collect the money for that - that's effectively the epic lawsuit.

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The difference is, if you don't like it you can leave the restaurant and choose any other. You have no lock in. Once you've bought an iOS device, you can't buy apps anywhere else. Even if you forget the sunk cost you just have two providers to choose from.

I can always get my next phone from Samsung, just as I can always get my next meal from McDonalds. But this meal is locked in. If I don’t like the pickles on my whopper, they don’t provide McDonald’s pickles, do they? The don’t allow me to get a McFlurry with my Chicken Sandwich? Bundling is allowed in every other instance and is key to many great products. Apple can do it too.

This comparison of situation in restaraunts and mobiles is laughable. It reads as either disingenuous or daft.

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> Overall, Apple has not been a good steward of the App Store. But the question on my mind is: what precedent are we setting by legally mandating what a corporation can do on a platform they solely built? And are we pulling up the ladder after the incumbents have climbed it? It's one thing to mandate how much pollution a factory may leak into a shared water supply. But the Apple app store is not a utility or natural…

> What precedent are we setting by legally mandating what a corporation can do on a platform they solely built? This does not concern setting precedents. The antitrust laws are already there, this is just a case of them being applied. More broadly speaking, I'm not really sensitive to the argument "they built the platform, so they should get to choose to do with it whatever they want". Network effects are so large th…

>"legally mandating what a corporation can do"

Can we please stop pretending corporations have feeling and liberties the way natural persons do? It reads like collective insanity "stones have feeling too".

Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint

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Yeah, my stance has always been that companies should exist to: 1. deliver value. 2. capture a fraction of that value. I think it is pretty clear in most cases that 30% is well above the value Apple is actually delivering with their App Store. It's not like Apple is building the apps for other people. You still have to build the app entirely on your own, the only thing Apple is doing is letting you distribute your ap…

> I think it is pretty clear in most cases that 30% is well above the value Apple is actually delivering with their App Store. You’re entitled to your opinion. And maybe it is not valuable to you. But I doubt you even know the costs to run the service so my opinion is that you are speaking from a place of ignorance. Part of the value of the service is that you don’t have to go and build it yourself. I’m going to bet…

The overwhelming majority of apps in the app store could actually just be turned into websites, so the cost of doing it on your own isn't that high

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The only thing between you and infinite control on most Android devices, including pixels, is repeatedly tapping the About entry in the menu.

Huh?... developer mode on an Android device doesn't even give you root access (which isn't that powerful these days due to SELinux), much less "infinite control": if you want to modify the lock screen or how notifications work or any other myriad things that Android doesn't provide extensibility points for, you need to jailbreak your device, just as you would for iOS. Some devices provide the ability to do an officia…

Google, Samsung, Lenovo, and Nokia all support unlocking and flashing, including AOSP builds that are rootable. Yes, if you want to root your phones specific image you'll need to tweak it to support root.

TWRP isn't a jailbreak, nor is ADB or Lineage.

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What are you talking about. A restaurant doesn’t have the power to steer an economy of billions of dollars worldwide (the phone app market) . Apple and google do. Do you understand the risk for countries to allow one single private company to have complete control over the life/jobs of hundreds of thousands of citizens (app developers) that could be just destroyed by the whim of one of these two companies? It’s the p…

I don’t feel entitled to controlling any company unless I own stock. If I build my career on a supplier company I don’t control, that’s my problem. EU politicians seem to disagree. Mostly (I bet) to protect their own.

Good thing your feelings aren't relevant to... Pretty much anything under discussion here, then.

Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint

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What are you talking about. A restaurant doesn’t have the power to steer an economy of billions of dollars worldwide (the phone app market) . Apple and google do. Do you understand the risk for countries to allow one single private company to have complete control over the life/jobs of hundreds of thousands of citizens (app developers) that could be just destroyed by the whim of one of these two companies? It’s the p…

I don’t feel entitled to controlling any company unless I own stock. If I build my career on a supplier company I don’t control, that’s my problem. EU politicians seem to disagree. Mostly (I bet) to protect their own.

Well that’s not how it works. When a company controls a very important piece of something society starts to rely on (oil, information, communication ... etc), regulation is not just preferable . It is NECESSARY.

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That's my nightmare scenario. I fear it'll be the end of the mac as we know it. What upside do you see?

What has the app store got with Mac laptops? And why would splitting into a different company end the laptops?

Because the mac division will become the lesser of the sister companies. Its best people will go with the more profitable divisions on the split. And it's not in great shape as it is. When its ROI turns out to be lower than that of the rest of the company, year after year, more heads will roll, ending with the sale to some Asian manufacturing giant. And that will be the end of it.

Splitting off the media part (iTunes, Beats, Tidal, and the rest) will have the same effect, I fear.

Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint

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HN when government does something they like about tech: This was a no-brainer. HN when government does something they dislike about tech: Tech is too complex for government to understand.

Apparently it's impossible to hold a nuanced position.

Show me a nuanced position on HN and it’ll be the first one I’ve seen.
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