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Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by S_A_P »

coldtea wrote: post #137
Benjamin_Dobell wrote: post #95

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Does Big Sur let you loopback audio out yet, or are third-party extensions still required? Do Soundflower & BlackHole even work on M1? The fact there hasn't been native loopback for so long is mind-boggling. I'm a Mac user and use BlackHole. I've lost count of the number of times I've been on a call and someone with a Mac has gone to share screen and been confused as to why their audio isn't being shared. COVID/WFH h…

> Does Big Sur let you loopback audio out yet, or are third-party extensions still required? Do Soundflower & BlackHole even work on M1? How is that relevant to a discussion about worsening software quality? OS X never had native loopback.

Agreed, this isnt a datapoint. And I have an app called Loopback by Rogue Amoeba that does this job very well. There are plenty of reasons that you could assume OSX doesnt include this natively. The biggest I can think of is if you can capture streaming audio at no quality loss then you kinda blow up some business models.

I dont hear any detailed descriptions of how the software quality has declined. What I generally see is bugs being reported which is then called evidence that apple software is bad. I think the UMN story has shown that all OS software is large, complex and bug ridden.

I personally dont love how OSX is becoming more of a walled garden, but I also think that given the fact that bad people exist to make sure we cant have anything nice its a reasonable reaction to try and make the OS more secure. The days of the OS is your playground are ending. I wish that werent true but there are crappy folks out there that want to steal your data, identity, scam you, commit computer crimes against you.

I will reiterate that I think Big Sur was probably the smoothest big release of MacOS Ive been through(since Tiger). Others may have different experiences, but I can only speak to mine.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by xodice »

sergiomattei wrote: post #146
xodice wrote: post #145

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macOS also has native Docker and native Terminal.app with a Unix tool chain just like Linux. So those two aren't great examples on their own IMO. I do however agree that it's 100% totally opinion based on ones preferred OS.

I don't disagree with your point, but macOS does not have native Docker. It runs as a hypervisor on HyperKit. It's always just been a VM on Mac, hence the constant performance issues it faces.

True enough. Upvoted.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by ddek »

wil421 wrote: post #150
Ericson2314 wrote: post #8

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As Linux laptop user, I'm bemused when the competition gets worse. Maybe Linux on Apple Silicon will be the best of both worlds in a few years --- I think the dedicated porting effort will more than succeed and will get something more polished than Linux on Intel macs ever was.

How does Linux handle scaled displays? MacOS handles it best, Windows has issues and inconsistencies, and last time I checked Linux support was abysmal.

I run MacOS almost entirely because multidpi running so seamlessly.

Windows support is kinda funny, it works fairly well normally but has all kinds of strange bugs. For example, if you switch in/out of full screen windows will just randomly move between displays. There are quite a few inconsistent scaling bugs.

I haven't played with xrandr multidpi, although I hear a lot of complaints about it. I've tried wayland, but I wasn't keen. I was very frustrated with sway (twm), which advertises itself as a drop in replacement for i3, but does many things differently. The fractional scaling on wayland can be blurry. There are still loads of bugs.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by Nextgrid »

marcosscriven wrote: post #123
yarcob wrote: post #120

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The problem with Bluetooth is that it just doesn't work well when you want to use one keyboard or mouse with multiple computers. For this reason I prefer the dongles. Want to use your mouse on a different Mac? Just plug the dongle in a different computer. I don't know how often I ended up at the password prompt with no way to type the password because the keyboard didn't connect, or was connected to a different Mac,…

This is why I like the Logitech MX keys/mouse. Can have multiple dongles and just press a button to choose which one you connect to.

Logitech also has a Bluetooth variant of this where the mouse will have 3 different "personalities" that you can associate with different devices and then switch with a button. As far as the host devices are concerned it's 3 different mice so there's no switching involved.

It works great and it's the best of both worlds. Convenient and no dongles (Bluetooth on my MacBook was very reliable for a mouse).

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by clajiness »

coldtea wrote: post #134
roody15 wrote: post #61

Leopard = meh Snow Leopard = Awesome Lion = meh Yosemite = ok Sierra = good High Sierra = Awesome Mojave = meh Catalina = meh Big Sur = meh (snow leopard and high sierra were the best IMO) Mac Admin for 15 years

I use Macs for programming, music (DAW), and video (NLE), and don't see to have all these big problems people have. Several Macs over the years. And those are quite demanding applications (for programming, resource wise, I didn't use Docker until recently, but did use Vagrant, Vmware, and virtuabox for ages). My major gripes are swallen batteries (2 times in 20 years), and the crappy 2015-2019 keyboards (plus, whoeve…

> plus, whoever idiot designed the usb-at-the-bottom mouse

The batteries last so long in those mice, plus you can get an almost full day's charge in about two minutes. It takes a real idiot to run into issues with it. :)

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by chrisbrandow »

slig wrote: post #47
chrisbrandow wrote: post #43

So, I’m dumb about this stuff, but I have a wireless keyboard that uses a WiFi dongle to connect. I’ve lost connection with it a few times on my new m1 Mac. I had never lost connection with it in the previous 5 years. Could this be related to the phenomenon the authors are describing?

Are you using a USB-C dongle? That is known to cause issues with things operating in the 2.4GHz spectrum (such as Bluetooth and your keyboard dongle).

USB-a

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by imwillofficial »

userbinator wrote: post #83
dannyw wrote: post #75

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How about the fact that Broadcom essentially enabled the Pi to be created in the first place?

Broadcom is neither the first nor only company making SoCs. The RPi people just happened to have someone working there.

Nobody said any of those things. The Rpi is good. Broadcom makes it.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by imwillofficial »

knolax wrote: post #72
imwillofficial wrote: post #58

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Linux on desktop users shouldn’t be bemused until Linux desktop experience isn’t a pile of UX trash. Linux on the desktop is still so frustrating, ugly, and only marginally more useful over a Mac for extremely specific use cases, that I would rather use Windows + WSL2.

> Linux desktop experience isn’t a pile of UX trash. Desktop Linux is the only bearable desktop UX. Anyone who actually prefers the UX of desktop Windows is mentally deranged and should not be allowed to make user facing software.

Hey, I make no promises as to my level of sanity. But yes, desktop Linux UX is trash. Trash being defined by incomprehensible design and inconsistent implementation of proper design lessons learned in the last 20 years.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by jolux »

paulintrognon wrote: post #139
grishka wrote: post #131

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Honestly, it's easy to hate on Apple, but you start to appreciate macOS once you have to use Windows or Linux for anything serious. Yes, there is no good desktop OS, but macOS sucks the least, and by far.

I think that is just your opinion, and not objective truth. I am a happy debian user, currently forced to use macOS at my current company, and can't say I have a great time developping on a mac. As a web developper, Linux is great: native docker, native linux terminal experience... I however think this is a personnal opinoin, and I won't argue that Linux is better that macOS. If I has been a macOS user from the start…

macOS has a native BSD terminal experience, more or less. Docker is definitely slower. I like using Linux on the desktop, but I don't like maintaining it and my installations always seem to break eventually. To me, Windows is worse than Linux in every way except compatibility and stability.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by duckfang »

wumpus wrote: post #51
duckfang wrote: post #42

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Yeah, but "Fabritio" can't measure up to "Googly-Elmo"! Fabric Cheeto? Febreze Cheeto? BTW Allegrezza d'Amore is also in Santucci. Happy to send you a translation.

That'd be awesome!

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