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Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by wumpus »

duckfang wrote: post #42
wumpus wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That just wrecked my ability to say the name of a prominent 15th century Italian dance master. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guglielmo_Ebreo_da_Pesaro

I've always been more of a Caroso fan, especially his second treatise. I've even learned Alegrezza d'amore from both his first and second works and did them back to back :) Then again, Petit Riens is my favorite danes of Pesaro's... I call it mosh pit riens given how rowdy it can be!

Yeah, but "Fabritio" can't measure up to "Googly-Elmo"!

Fabric Cheeto? Febreze Cheeto?

BTW Allegrezza d'Amore is also in Santucci. Happy to send you a translation.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by mattkrause »

Nextgrid wrote: post #46
faitswulff wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to wonder if all issues with Apple's software quality are due to Apple redirecting resources to gracefully handling the Apple silicon transfer.

Catalina was a significant downgrade in quality and as far as I know the M1 wasn't a thing yet.

I assumed dropping 32-bit support was part of the wind-up for the M1 transition but maybe not.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by notaplumber »

SilverRed wrote: post #33
anitil wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the issue with Broadcom chips?

Not sure about OP but the hardest part about getting linux on a macbook is getting wifi to work because there are no FOSS drivers.

Sure there are, it's called brcmfmac. If the AsahiLinux team hasn't already got it working, certainly Corellium did a few months ago in their much hyped public demo image.

https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/brcm80211

OpenBSD has also added support to their bwfm(4) driver already for 6.9.

Wireless is absolutely not the hardest problem for the M1 Mac, or running on any Mac, for that matter.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by nwallin »

cptskippy wrote: post #40
anitil wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the issue with Broadcom chips?

Broadcom chips aren't very well regarded in PC Gaming or Server enthusiast markets either, they're a step above Realtek. Oddly Intel is well regarded though... It mostly comes down to drivers from what I understand but I'm not entirely familiar with all the objections.

I would much rather have a realtek or intel controller than a broadcom one. My thinkpad has a realtek, my last laptop (an xps13) had an intel controller, and they just worked without issue.

Admittedly it's been a while since I had a broadcom controller, but I had all sorts of problems with it. Random disconnects etc.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by imwillofficial »

chrisbrandow wrote: post #43

So, I’m dumb about this stuff, but I have a wireless keyboard that uses a WiFi dongle to connect. I’ve lost connection with it a few times on my new m1 Mac. I had never lost connection with it in the previous 5 years. Could this be related to the phenomenon the authors are describing?

Dongles are usually not Bluetooth or WiFi. But sometimes share the same frequencies. The M1 MacBooks have been having Bluetooth issues.

Not applicable to your dongle issue, but for others: One weird trick that works without fail for me is disabling WiFi, connecting your Bluetooth devices, and reenabling WiFi. Don’t know why it works.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by imwillofficial »

Nextgrid wrote: post #5

Big Sur has been a significant drop in quality, even worse than Catalina. Some are bugs such as this one and some are just deliberately stupid design decisions like the changes to the notifications. I’m worried for the future of the Mac.

I disagree. As a 20 year Mac user, Catalina has waaay worse. Big Sur has been painless. So much so that we’ve rolled it out enterprise wide at [Giant Internet Company]

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by swiley »

SilverRed wrote: post #33
anitil wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the issue with Broadcom chips?

Not sure about OP but the hardest part about getting linux on a macbook is getting wifi to work because there are no FOSS drivers.

Usually it's missing firmware rather than drivers.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by imwillofficial »

Ericson2314 wrote: post #8
Nextgrid wrote: post #5

Big Sur has been a significant drop in quality, even worse than Catalina. Some are bugs such as this one and some are just deliberately stupid design decisions like the changes to the notifications. I’m worried for the future of the Mac.

As Linux laptop user, I'm bemused when the competition gets worse. Maybe Linux on Apple Silicon will be the best of both worlds in a few years --- I think the dedicated porting effort will more than succeed and will get something more polished than Linux on Intel macs ever was.

Linux on desktop users shouldn’t be bemused until Linux desktop experience isn’t a pile of UX trash. Linux on the desktop is still so frustrating, ugly, and only marginally more useful over a Mac for extremely specific use cases, that I would rather use Windows + WSL2.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by pabs3 »

rubicks wrote: post #17
Ericson2314 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As Linux laptop user, I'm bemused when the competition gets worse. Maybe Linux on Apple Silicon will be the best of both worlds in a few years --- I think the dedicated porting effort will more than succeed and will get something more polished than Linux on Intel macs ever was.

I don't share your optimism. If proprietary firmware and dkms blobs remain _de rigueur_, I can't see the situation on linux improving w.r.t. things like graphics cards and wifi chips.

Progress on the Apple GPU is already at the "can draw cubes" stage:

https://rosenzweig.io/blog/asahi-gpu-part-3.html

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by pabs3 »

rubicks wrote: post #17
Ericson2314 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As Linux laptop user, I'm bemused when the competition gets worse. Maybe Linux on Apple Silicon will be the best of both worlds in a few years --- I think the dedicated porting effort will more than succeed and will get something more polished than Linux on Intel macs ever was.

I don't share your optimism. If proprietary firmware and dkms blobs remain _de rigueur_, I can't see the situation on linux improving w.r.t. things like graphics cards and wifi chips.

All the Asahi Linux support for Apple M1 is going into Linux mainline, so the dkms modules will not be necessary for the parts they work on.
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