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Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by cptskippy »

Ericson2314 wrote: post #8
Nextgrid wrote: post #5

Big Sur has been a significant drop in quality, even worse than Catalina. Some are bugs such as this one and some are just deliberately stupid design decisions like the changes to the notifications. I’m worried for the future of the Mac.

As Linux laptop user, I'm bemused when the competition gets worse. Maybe Linux on Apple Silicon will be the best of both worlds in a few years --- I think the dedicated porting effort will more than succeed and will get something more polished than Linux on Intel macs ever was.

Still no where near as bad a Linux on the laptop the last time I tried it. I haven't used Linux on a laptop in a decade because it was so bad I swore it off.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by duckfang »

wumpus wrote: post #36
ndesaulniers wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. I can't unsee that.

That just wrecked my ability to say the name of a prominent 15th century Italian dance master. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guglielmo_Ebreo_da_Pesaro

I've always been more of a Caroso fan, especially his second treatise. I've even learned Alegrezza d'amore from both his first and second works and did them back to back :)

Then again, Petit Riens is my favorite danes of Pesaro's... I call it mosh pit riens given how rowdy it can be!

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by chrisbrandow »

So, I’m dumb about this stuff, but I have a wireless keyboard that uses a WiFi dongle to connect. I’ve lost connection with it a few times on my new m1 Mac. I had never lost connection with it in the previous 5 years.

Could this be related to the phenomenon the authors are describing?

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by rthomas6 »

chrisbrandow wrote: post #43

So, I’m dumb about this stuff, but I have a wireless keyboard that uses a WiFi dongle to connect. I’ve lost connection with it a few times on my new m1 Mac. I had never lost connection with it in the previous 5 years. Could this be related to the phenomenon the authors are describing?

Is it really wifi? Or is it Bluetooth?

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by stan_rogers »

totetsu wrote: post #26
my123 wrote: post #3

Interesting that Apple still uses Broadcom Wi-Fi + BT chips in most of their product range despite lots of issues with them. Apple Watch nowadays is using Apple (codenamed Marconi) Wi-Fi + BT chips, hopefully they'll switch all their product lineup to those.

Marconi is named after inventor of the radio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guglielmo_Marconi?wprov=sfla1

Inventor? Not so much. He did manage to get a patent on other people's prior art by keeping it in a sealed box, though.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by Nextgrid »

faitswulff wrote: post #9
stock_toaster wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Early versions of Catalina were also not great. (Heck, early versions of any major macos release tend to be relatively buggy!) I think people tend to forget things like that, and only remember the later releases of an OS since that is the version they are likely switching off of it to the newer one. I personally have found big sir no more buggy than most releases. Better than some[1], worse than others. About middlin…

I have to wonder if all issues with Apple's software quality are due to Apple redirecting resources to gracefully handling the Apple silicon transfer.

Catalina was a significant downgrade in quality and as far as I know the M1 wasn't a thing yet.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by slig »

chrisbrandow wrote: post #43

So, I’m dumb about this stuff, but I have a wireless keyboard that uses a WiFi dongle to connect. I’ve lost connection with it a few times on my new m1 Mac. I had never lost connection with it in the previous 5 years. Could this be related to the phenomenon the authors are describing?

Are you using a USB-C dongle? That is known to cause issues with things operating in the 2.4GHz spectrum (such as Bluetooth and your keyboard dongle).

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

acdha wrote: post #38
AlexandrB wrote: post #10

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macOS quality has been declining for years. It can't all be due to the M1 transition.

This is a popular trope but I’d really want to see some supporting data. It’s notoriously hard to correct for only hearing from people who found something they don’t like, people assuming their experience is universally shared, and for people to tend to forget old problems.

Anecdotally, I think Big Sur is better than either Mojave or Catalina: in my experience, it solves a lot of the bugs I was trying to avoid by sticking with High Sierra.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by [deleted] »

ben-schaaf wrote: post #37
zodiakzz wrote: post #34

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Genuinely curious, is it harder than getting Linux working with the proprietary Apple variant of ARM? Or are you talking pre-M1?

The M1 still uses a broadcom wifi chip: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25669358 , so presumably because it's a newer chip it'll be more difficult.

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Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by heavyset_go »

chrisbrandow wrote: post #43

So, I’m dumb about this stuff, but I have a wireless keyboard that uses a WiFi dongle to connect. I’ve lost connection with it a few times on my new m1 Mac. I had never lost connection with it in the previous 5 years. Could this be related to the phenomenon the authors are describing?

WiFi and Bluetooth support is often provided by the same chipset.
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