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Because they're all trying to build platforms, probably
Are we doing “temporally embarrassed platformers” now
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EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint
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Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint
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Should add, the ruling is not really about the validity of the 30% fee. What EU seems to argue is this: 1. Apple is in phone business, Spotify music. So far so good... 2. Then apple wants to get into the music business too. Now they have an unfair advantage since Spotify must pay 30% to apple while apple music "pays" 0%. So apple use their dominance in one area (phones) to get an advantage in a totally different area…
So then if Apple Music internally pays 30% to App Store, we're all good by this definition.
I think the problem is with 'internally'. As I understand it, the antitrust regulations could force Apple to spin Apple Music out.
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Apple devices and services don't have to be available in Europe at all. Either Apple benefits from Europe, in which case they need to follow European rules and regulations, or they don't benefit from the arrangement in which case they leave the EU.
I agree completely. I look forward to seeing rules in the EU that ban percentage based fees and make all platforms open.
it might just end in them not being allowed to reject apps for advertising alternate payment methods
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I agree completely, but for now they are following the rules. I’ll be happy to see the EU ban percentage based fees and make all platforms open.
Is not about the percentage, are you aware that you can't even mention you can buy a subscription from the website in the iOS application? Apple does not allow alternative app stores and is actively blocking you to inform of alternative methods of payment.
Yeah I’m aware of those things. The EU should ban those things as well. Like I mentioned I’d like to see no percentage fees and all platforms open.
Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint
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I think argument about 30% is not that good. There is a number of services that Apple provides like software distribution, updates distribution, reviews (even though they don't benefit software creator directly, they build trust in the platform and attract more users), invoicing, regardless on the location (this one is really big - getting a single invoice from Apple instead of dealing with potentially thousands of d…
Steam also has a tax but you still have a choice as a developer or as a gamer. Cyberpunk is on Steam, Gog, Epic and maybe other stores(there are many such games where you as the user can decide what store you trust , what is more comfortable for you or what company you like more). If you are an iOS developer and and 2 other stores would exists, then you would publish on all to maximize your profit, and hard core Appl…
That would be great if stores weren't pushing so much for 'exclusives'.
I fear that the endgame of multiple App stores is that the guarantee Apple gives (for instance with the privacy labels) will be sidestepped by businesses like Facebook who will force people through their own store without them.
Seeing how many people don't read the small print and just install everything available to them that's the most probable outcome.
Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint
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I agree with this principle but in this specific case it’s not true because Apple started their music business long before the iPhone and Spotify existed. In fact they started with the iPod and their music business with the iPod is what lead them to invent the iPhone and the AppStore. It’s rich from other music businesses like Spotify to want to benefit from all of the R&D and innovation cost from Apple and the marke…
Of course Apple's music business was a whole separate legal minefield for decades https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer
They bought out the name rights 8 years after iTunes launched.
That payment was $500 million, but they were printing money from iPod+iTunes at that point (revenues of $9.5 billion in 2006, $10.5 billion in 2007). I'd call it an ongoing headache more than a minefield.
Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint
#157So Apple's ecosystem does two things: 1. it gatekeeps what's in the App Store. This is of course controversial but is a net positive for consumers (IMHO); and 2. It provides a convenient payments infrastructure. I certainly hope no government forces Apple to allow third-party App stores. Just look at what a mess this is on the PC where there are a million launchers (eg Steam, Epic, Ubisoft, Rockstar) and nearly all o…
Apple could just stop offering own apps. Utility companies are often regulated similarly - in many countries you can be either an energy producer or grid, not both.
Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint
#158> “Once again, they want all the benefits of the App Store but don’t think they should have to pay anything for that.”
lol , it's not like there is an alternative...
Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint
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Sure I understand that, but personally as an iPhone user I don't care. Users benefit from consolidation in the app store space, it much easier for me to have all my apps come from one app store with one set of rules and policies. I benefit from the fact Facebook can't bypass the App Store rules for security and privacy through side loading and an alternate store. Why do you want to take that away from me? Also as a u…
So if you personally won't benefit from it you should not be against someone else benefiting right? If you want to buy Cyberpunk 2077 you have the option of at least 3 stores, I did not see any Steam user getting damaged by the fact the game is on other stores too.
As the topic has been beat to death a million times, the danger is that adding additional app stores will result in decreases in the exact thing the OP likes the App Store for. All of the hard work fighting for privacy, security, etc., goes out the window. Facebook will put their app on a 3rd party store and now we’re back to them and others abusing privacy and tracking users and not sharing what and how they’re tracking. Apple’s benevolent dictator approach has revealed some nasty stuff these companies and others were doing. With a third party app, companies don’t have to tell me how they are using my data or give me an anonymous sign in option. Naturally they’re fighting back.
The App Store gives Apple a way to collectively bargain against app makers on behalf of users. Take that away and we lose what little power we have.
Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint
#160Unpopular opinion: This was a no brainer. Apple wanted 30% (or was it less for subscriptions?) on any business that used apps, no matter if they used apple infrastructure or not. Just think about it: one company is in practice entitled to 30% of what any other business makes (in any industry)!! Also, I think apple brought this to themselves by picking a fight with Spotify (on Watch support).
How is apple entitled to 30 percent of what any other business makes? Apple developed a platform and says to developers "pay is 30 percent to use it" sounds fair to me. Huge streaming service comes along "I want to use you platform but not pay the fee". How is that remotely fair? No one is making Spotify use it. What right has any one or any company got to demand special treatment. Many other app developers are fine…
Think about the regular people or the artists, not the giant.
Say we are a group of musicians and we hate the fact that a big chunk of our money is going to giants including ones from authoritarian countries... so we the musicians think . "let's make our own steaming platform, all the profit goes to the musicians"... what is the problem then?
Did you found it ?
If mobile devices, consoles and computers are locked then I will not be able to realize my dream of removing the parasites from the industry, I would be happy to pay for the SDK, to pay for a genous to review the app, to pay for the bandwith of the updates, but I will not be happy to let a parasite to suck 30% of my sales(NOT even profit)