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Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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> Is it because of the battery? That's the big contributor, yep. > Also, isn't EMF radiation an issue for you? For who? I mean, if you happen to be an AM radio it may be an issue, but I can't see why it would be a problem for humans.

Good point on the AM radio, my Model 3 does not have AM, but wondering do any BEVs have AM radio?

You can’t listen to baseball games in a 40,000-50,000 car? Wow.

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charging 30k for a motorcycle didn't help

Made all the worse than the 30k motorcycle is slower and handles worse than a 13k motorcycle.

Not to mention breaking down constantly.

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Made all the worse than the 30k motorcycle is slower and handles worse than a 13k motorcycle.

Not to mention breaking down constantly.

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Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Isn't this short term thinking? That is the upfront cost. What about the total lifetime cost of the vehicle?

Oh, oh, I can answer this, given ownership of a ten year old Leaf ($35K) and a fifteen year old Scion xB/rebadged Toyota Echo ($20K): the $20K car is still going to win in TCO. Because the Leaf already starts out $15K in the hole. That's a lot of oil and coolant changes. That's a lot of brake pads. And those are pretty much the three things an ICE needs done versus BEV. After 100K miles, the Scion needed a $1500 clut…

What range do you get on a 10yo leaf? My GF had to sell hers (2016) because she couldn’t get more than 70mi out of it. Which unless you kill the battery all the way, it gives you anxiety past 25mi one way. In Florida that’s just going to school for her. Getting groceries on the way would’ve put her out of range.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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SUV…

I wonder what will happen to the SUV vs. car distribution when “gas guzzler” isn’t a consideration anymore. There’s still parking, of course, but most SUVs I see have the same wheelbase as their sedan counterparts. They’re just tall.

Wouldn't the term just be swapped for something like "power pilferer"? (I'm assuming that a heavier EV will mean less miles per KWh or whatever the measure is)

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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I've been following the id.4 release with moderate interest. I previously had a 2016 Golf R 6 speed manual, and now have a 2018 Tesla Model 3. IMO, the VW is just too expensive. Now, if you're getting the tax credit on the VW, and of course can't get it on a Tesla anymore, that makes the difference. But without the credit, the id4 is virtually the price of an AWD Model Y. For a vehicle that doesn't have AWD, has a to…

I'm always so amused when I see people complaining about certain cars being too expensive.

The cheapest Tesla Model 3 costs 160k SGD here, which is about 120k USD. And it gets more expensive from there.

Not to mention the fact that your COE expires after 10 years after which you have to pay another 50k to be allowed to drive it for another 10 years.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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highly recommend Munro's 6 short hands-on videos on ID.4 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkiDlGyJnprdkrCXUOh-N...

I was disappointed with these. Yes the VW software is much worse than Tesla’s, but he goes on a 10 minute rant that there are no maps - because he hadn’t figured out that the screen has a home button. After softball questions when directly talking to Elon and then just needlessly dumping on the VW, it now feels to me that there is a bias in these videos towards the manufacturers that might hire him, and against them…

Tesla didn’t hire him, but when he realized how fast Tesla is growing up and how fast it is iterating on its design in the right direction, he loaded up on Tesla stocks, so I guess TSLA price is the most important for him at this point.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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And don't forget: during production

Yup, but many manufacturers are carbon-offsetting their production a lot more compared to ICE cars. Also: depending on your country's electricity production profile, EVs tend to become more environmentally friendly around 2-3 years of use according to studies. And when the production profile changes (more renewables etc.) ALL EVs on the road instantly become better for the environment. There's no practical way of mak…

For sure. I get annoyed when people argue along the lines of "but look how all the power is generated using coal and oil" because people simply don't understand that electricity is the interface that decouples the car's energy source from the way its source. As you said, once electricity is generated using only renewables, bam, instant success, without changing anything about the cars.

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Half of the US population lives paycheck to paycheck and they need cars. I'm not sure their minimum wage can afford them carbon taxes.

Poorer countries in Europe tax fuel more. If you raise fuel tax, people will find ways to buy less fuel. Generally this means more efficient (often smaller) cars, and perhaps prioritizing living more near to jobs etc. The main problem is that fuel tax should be increased slowly so people can change their consumption accordingly.

> The main problem is that fuel tax should be increased slowly so people can change their consumption accordingly.

Not necessarily. Even if you implement really high CO2 tax, as long as it's fiscally neutral - i.e. it gets paid back to the population, instead of the government spending/wasting it - and it's paid out quickly (e.g. weekly or monthly, instead of yearly with a long delay) it would work just as well - people would adapt as quickly as they can/want to, and everybody who changes their consumption faster than average, would benefit.

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Another thing is today's compact cars are getting ridiculously low. I don't want SUV, but I want to drive on crappy gravel roads with confidence and park close to curb without scratching bottom of the bumper. Regular cars used to allow that 2 decades ago. Now I'll need a „raised“ car for that :(

That's for fuel efficiency reasons. Cars lower to the ground get much better mileage at highway speeds since they have less aerodynamic drag. And it's not just compact cars, modern SUVs, except the ones destined for workhorse off-roading, are also lower to the ground than they were 20 or so years ago since they never leave the city/highway anyway.

Yup. And then many people opt in for SUV to get back to classic ride height. Which is kinda funny.
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