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Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by hellbannedguy »

jacquesm wrote: post #284
hourislate wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in DFW also and you are correct. I'd take a guess that 80% of F150 owners live in a quiet suburban neighborhood and have never used the truck bed. What really is insane is the folks like a neighbor down the street who has an F250 Diesel Monster truck that has never seen any off road action except the time he drove on his grass backing out of the driveway. Same with all the Jeeps with oversized tires and 12k in…

> like all the old farts buying Harley's and pretending they are some kind of bikers...shame they destroyed the brand Actually, they kept the brand alive by buying the product. Without those people they'd have died long ago.

The only upside with the rediculious "Live to Ride", or whatever rediculious marketing slogans they use is most used Harley's are bringing 1/2 of what they were in the nineties.

And it's a buyers market.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by ffggvv »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #94
Someone1234 wrote: post #62

I feel like the prices on electric vehicles are starting to become their biggest hurdle (instead of range, availability, or charging which are solved enough). If you're from California or New York, I'm sure $40K starting for this or a Model Y seems complexly within your means, but there's a large chunk of the US (by population AND land) where People love to spam $40K US "average" while entirely ignoring that the aver…

The best-selling[1] vehicle in America, the Ford F-150, had an average sale price of $47,174 in 2018[2]. I'm sure it's only gone up since. Also, the latest version of the map you shared shows the F-150 being the most popular vehicle in 18 states, none of which are California or New York: https://insurify.com/insights/most-popular-cars-in-america-2... --- [1] https://www.autobytel.com/ford/f-150/car-buying-guides/why-…

thats new cars. most people dont by new cars. they buy used sedans.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by ffggvv »

rsync wrote: post #142

Is it their electric car or is it their car, electric ? I don't want your electric car. I don't want your e-initiative i-mobile green-tech tron-car. I want one of your actual cars, just electric . I don't want an ID.4 - I just want a Passat. I don't want the polestar e-initiative i-concept - I just want a V90 wagon. I don't want a future space truck, I just want a Silverado - but electric. God. Dammit.

why does that piss you off so much lol. is the truth you dont want others to be able to choose another car?

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by [deleted] »

ajross wrote: post #83
kbos87 wrote: post #2

What I’m really curious to see is whether or not “electric” is the single killer feature it is often positioned as. Semi-autonomous driving and overall UX are two places that Tesla is just so far ahead. I think other manufacturers will make progress, but they are likely to be slow. Electric is compelling but it’s only a small part of the overall value prop for a lot of buyers.

Yeah. I literally just pulled the trigger and am waiting on delivery of a Model Y. The other vendors are at least playing in the same ballpark now. This car, and the Ford Mach-E (I refuse to call a 4-door crossover a "mustang") are both... very reasonable and justifiable purchases. Same price range. Similar (or at least close to) travel range. Similar performance. But they don't have a supercharger network. They won'…

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Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by cjblomqvist »

elihu wrote: post #414
cjblomqvist wrote: post #118

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The "problem" in the US is the cheap gas, at least compared to EU. Taxing gas according to the CO2 cost would make it drastically different in TCO.

Even if we implemented a carbon tax, I don't know if it would actually make that big a difference unless it was very high. A quick google search came up with this from an organization that (from the name and content on their site) appears to be an oil industry lobby group: https://www.americanenergyalliance.org/2020/10/under-bidens-... > Our Northern neighbor has some experience with a carbon tax as well as other mec…

Thanks for sharing! Obviously ignorance on my side.

You could however raise it a lot more to make it have bigger effect. E.g. In Sweden you pay about $200-250/ton (for gas). Then you could argue that there are other emissions from gas such as NOx and similar. A little bit outside my comfort zone but I'm sure it would have some effect at least to make electric vehicles more attractive!

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by theshrike79 »

barbazoo wrote: post #223
legulere wrote: post #154

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Zero emission vehicles still pollute with their tires.

And don't forget: during production

Yup, but many manufacturers are carbon-offsetting their production a lot more compared to ICE cars.

Also: depending on your country's electricity production profile, EVs tend to become more environmentally friendly around 2-3 years of use according to studies.

And when the production profile changes (more renewables etc.) ALL EVs on the road instantly become better for the environment. There's no practical way of makin ICE cars better for the environment after they're sold.

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Post by geoman123 »

mmglr wrote: post #48

The 1st edition is already "sold out". Reserving the AWD Pro S Gradient, a $49,675 car, is $100. So I suspect the 1st edition was around that same reservation cost. Too low. Everyone has $100 laying around. IMO reservations should be 10% msrp so that only serious buyers can make reservations.

It's because you can reserve with your credit card and the OEM is responsible for the transaction fee. 10% of MSRP is like $4,000 and 1-3% of that is $40-$120. When saving 1/4 of a cent is crucial at scale, you wont be happy giving up 40-120 bucks.

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Post by varjag »

petre wrote: post #480
btgeekboy wrote: post #364

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They’re bought primarily either as status symbols or for business use.

A truck as a status symbol? In Russia or the balkans the rich mobsters use Mercedes SUVs for that.

(Collective) 'farmer' is used as an insult in Russia so no wonder cosplaying hard-working man of the land is not popular.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by _ph_ »

akomtu wrote: post #130
cjblomqvist wrote: post #118

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The "problem" in the US is the cheap gas, at least compared to EU. Taxing gas according to the CO2 cost would make it drastically different in TCO.

Half of the US population lives paycheck to paycheck and they need cars. I'm not sure their minimum wage can afford them carbon taxes.

These kind of changes have to be gradually phased in so that people and economy can adjust. Be it raised wages, living closer to work, using other means of transportation or just more economic cars. The actual fuel costs paid per kilometer driven are probably less for the average european car than for a truck in the US, as the average european car uses so much less fuel.

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Post by mavhc »

adrianN wrote: post #492
elihu wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if we implemented a carbon tax, I don't know if it would actually make that big a difference unless it was very high. A quick google search came up with this from an organization that (from the name and content on their site) appears to be an oil industry lobby group: https://www.americanenergyalliance.org/2020/10/under-bidens-... > Our Northern neighbor has some experience with a carbon tax as well as other mec…

The Umweltbundesamt of the German government estimates the externalized cost of a ton of CO2 to be between 195€ and 680€ (depending on the discounting function used) https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/sites/default/files/medien/14...

Petrol emits 2.31 kg of CO2 per litre, so 1 tonne is 432 litres. In UK we pay 58p per litre in tax, that's £250 or 285 euros.

So it's perfectly possible to live while paying enough tax to clean up the CO2 caused

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