Looking at the 28-day periods, aggravated assault is up a lot, robbery is down by a lot, and most of the rest are within what I imagine are the yearly fluctuations. Is there more convincing support for the claim that crime is down in Newark?
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Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's on youtube [1]. They released another documentary with the same name and the same Newark subject with 2020 updates [2]. They both have the same duration but are different. [1] Policing the Police (2016) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_8vTl6D940 [2] Policing the Police (2020) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taNwWilMVLg Both come with optional English subtitles.
I guess it's US only? Can't access from EU.
Works in India.
Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020
#73I think this only addresses half of what's wrong with Newark PD. Newark still spends about a third of it's city budget on police, at the expense of essential services like infrastructure and education. Newark PD still arrests Black people at a much much higher rate than white people. The disparity of arrest rates is even greater when it comes to drug possession.
>Newark PD still arrests Black people at a much much higher rate than white people. And if it's the case that people in the city's black community are committing arrestable offenses (however stupid some definitions of what is an offense for which you can be arrested and charged with for are), then what should the department do? Not arrest people for doing things it's been ordered to arrest people for doing just becau…
This is trolling. It's purely a strawman setup - nothing factual is provided, it's all speculative; many of the conditions are known to be false; and it ignores our well-established knowledge about racism in law enforcement.
Yes, trolling, ignorant BS is not popular.
Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except see Chicago, where its also legal, and arresting black people for marijuana related crimes continues unabated. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-marijuana-le...
”Most arrests involve possessing or attempting to sell amounts over the legal limit of 30 grams. I mean, they are breaking the new marijuana laws. Is this wrong? If I try and make my own moonshine and sell it I’ll go to jail too.
Will you? It depends on the law, the resources law enforcement dedicates to moonshine enforcement, the attitude toward you of the individual officers, and your personal power - including your ability to afford a good lawyer.
And much of that is strongly correlated with race.
Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why reply like with insults like this ("pathetic", etc), and most of all, why did people flag the comment? Assuming your own stats are correct, you refuted his comment really well, and using abusive language only diminishes your response. If HN is going to actually engage in these political debates (and I question whether it's wise to do so for the community), then people are going to have to stop flagging comments t…
It's not a different belief, it was a flat out lie and spreading of misinformation, their own source doesn't even back them up. Stop pushing a narrative that misinformation should be "equally considered" or is "just another point of view".
This is where you and I disagree, and frankly why our country will continue to decline into more polarization and violence.
I believe that you convince people that they're wrong by making a reasoned argument. You seem to believe that you convince people that they're wrong by shutting them up, and censoring them.
And as a free human being, I'll push whichever POV I so choose.
Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why reply like with insults like this ("pathetic", etc), and most of all, why did people flag the comment? Assuming your own stats are correct, you refuted his comment really well, and using abusive language only diminishes your response. If HN is going to actually engage in these political debates (and I question whether it's wise to do so for the community), then people are going to have to stop flagging comments t…
It's not a different belief, it was a flat out lie and spreading of misinformation, their own source doesn't even back them up. Stop pushing a narrative that misinformation should be "equally considered" or is "just another point of view".
"misinformation" is the rallying cry of those who wish to suppress speech, even if that speech is patently false. Enough with the Gestapo tactics.
Instead, allow the incorrect statement to be contrasted with correct information.
Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except see Chicago, where its also legal, and arresting black people for marijuana related crimes continues unabated. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-marijuana-le...
> Black and brown people are left out of the windfall and continue to be arrested for selling weed illegally. I would hazard a guess that if they were instead selling bootlegged booze illegally they would also be arrested. I’m not clear what point you’re trying to make.
I hear you, but:
1) Selling bootleg booze has health/quality risks that selling weed doesn't. You don't see crackdowns on people selling other plants without a license.
2) Legalizing possession and then only giving licenses to well-connected people who are excellent at getting paperwork through the system is, well, a lot better than nothing but doesn't really solve the whole problem.
Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was surprised to learn that overall, the U.S. spends about 0.8% of GDP on policing, which places it in about the middle of OECD countries. https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-differen... Budget seems like the least of our problems in fixing U.S. policing, though I recognize in some cities it may be more of a problem than others. The biggest problem seems to be the huge amount of resistance from poli…
That surprises me as well! Particularly if it includes departments like ICE and FBI within that definition of policing. I tried to search for the original source to see if I could find how they are calculating theses costs but didn’t have any luck. I mention this because NYPD budget is often referenced as $6 billion, but that’s only operating costs, and the actual amount is closer to $11 billion (including fringe ben…
New York is a huge outlier in terms of police department size.
Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020
#79Good for Newark! But, from what I understand, they gave the cops better training and got better result. That is how education works.
Sam Harris has a new, very interesting podcast with Rener Gracie about police training and how inadequate it is across the entire United States. Officers in California get one - 4 hour course every two years to learn how to subdue criminals, and of the 4 hours, only one is actually spent training, the other three are instruction.
Rener Gracie is obviously famous for Brazilian jiu-jitsu but he also trains police on how to subdue criminals in a safe way. He has some interesting ideas about how to identify bad cops also.
It was worth the listen.
https://samharris.org/podcasts/246-police-training-police-mi...
Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not a different belief, it was a flat out lie and spreading of misinformation, their own source doesn't even back them up. Stop pushing a narrative that misinformation should be "equally considered" or is "just another point of view".
"misinformation" is the rallying cry of those who wish to suppress speech, even if that speech is patently false. Enough with the Gestapo tactics. Instead, allow the incorrect statement to be contrasted with correct information.
>Instead, allow the incorrect statement to be contrasted with correct information.
That's exactly what the person replying did.