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Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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evgen wrote: post #19
DenisM wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> can you not even be bothered to read the stat you tried to pick to prove your point Don’t do this here. The HN rules specifically discourage it: Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that."

I did not claim they did not read the article, I explicitly called out the fact that the source they reference in support of a numerical claim actually said something completely different. Please do not try to be a pseudo-mod, we already have people with that task and they seem to be doing a better job of it than you.

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Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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Post by tomerico »

AtNightWeCode wrote: post #17

Good for Newark! But, from what I understand, they gave the cops better training and got better result. That is how education works.

I disagree. The largest factors are likely to be culture (coming from leadership) and higher scrutiny (mentioned in the article as a requirement to report and investigate any use of force).

Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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Post by burlesona »

elil17 wrote: post #16
bananabiscuit wrote: post #14

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Check the demographics, white people make up only about one third of the population in Newark.

Arresting at a hire rate means in comparison to the demographics of the city. In 2020, 50% of Newark residents were Black but 80% of arrests were of Black people. 80% of victims of police use of force were Black. A third of the city is white but only 4% of police use of force victims are white. [1] [1]: https://www.nj.com/opinion/2020/07/newark-must-do-more-to-st...

How closely do the arrest numbers match poverty numbers?

Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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Post by tyingq »

gadrev wrote: post #23
throwaway1090 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's on youtube [1]. They released another documentary with the same name and the same Newark subject with 2020 updates [2]. They both have the same duration but are different. [1] Policing the Police (2016) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_8vTl6D940 [2] Policing the Police (2020) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taNwWilMVLg Both come with optional English subtitles.

I guess it's US only? Can't access from EU.

On the off chance PBS allows access outside the US: https://player.pbs.org/widget/partnerplayer/2365792793/

Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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Post by bbulkow »

bananabiscuit wrote: post #22
param wrote: post #18

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And do we know why this disparity exists?

I’d assume it’s some combination of the cops being racist, or actual differences in crime rates among demographics. I see no reason to conclude it has to be one or the other, not sure if there’s any actual way to determine how much each cause contributes though.

A disparity that high is unlikely to be rate of crime. It is hard to study rate of crime, obvious reasons, but when you slice drug use by race, blacks use more, when you investigate drug contraband found per traffic stop, the is not a high racial bias. I tend to believe the crime rates aren't effected much by race, it seems really unlikely a difference that high is race.

Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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Post by commentingbadly »

helloworld11 wrote: post #26
elil17 wrote: post #13

I think this only addresses half of what's wrong with Newark PD. Newark still spends about a third of it's city budget on police, at the expense of essential services like infrastructure and education. Newark PD still arrests Black people at a much much higher rate than white people. The disparity of arrest rates is even greater when it comes to drug possession.

>Newark PD still arrests Black people at a much much higher rate than white people. And if it's the case that people in the city's black community are committing arrestable offenses (however stupid some definitions of what is an offense for which you can be arrested and charged with for are), then what should the department do? Not arrest people for doing things it's been ordered to arrest people for doing just becau…

What a disgusting and false comment

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/29/fac...

- Rates of white-on-white and Black-on-Black homicide are similar, at around 80% and 90%

- Rates of Black-on-white and white-on-Black homicide also within 8 points

- Police kill Black people at disproportionate rates

Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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Post by tomerico »

monoideism wrote: post #31
evgen wrote: post #10

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This is the most pathetic attempt to lie with statistics I have seen all week, congrats! JFC, can you not even be bothered to read the stat you tried to pick to prove your point? The rate according to data you provided was 20.3/100k. The murder rate is proportional to population density across the country as a general rule, so the 'US average' is a bullshit stat to try to use for comparison with a large city. If you…

Why reply like with insults like this ("pathetic", etc), and most of all, why did people flag the comment? Assuming your own stats are correct, you refuted his comment really well, and using abusive language only diminishes your response. If HN is going to actually engage in these political debates (and I question whether it's wise to do so for the community), then people are going to have to stop flagging comments t…

I agree that the tone of replies matter, but flagging comments spreading misinformation seems like a positive thing.

Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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Post by ineedasername »

elil17 wrote: post #35
helloworld11 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Newark PD still arrests Black people at a much much higher rate than white people. And if it's the case that people in the city's black community are committing arrestable offenses (however stupid some definitions of what is an offense for which you can be arrested and charged with for are), then what should the department do? Not arrest people for doing things it's been ordered to arrest people for doing just becau…

> Not arrest people for doing things it's been ordered to arrest people for doing Yes. No one’s ordered police to focus on anyone one kind of crime. Police in America have total discretion to choose which laws they enforce and which they don’t. In Arizona you can get six months in jail for spitting in a public park, but you don’t see Arizona cops trying to arrest everyone for that. It’s a federal crime to let your do…

focus on marijuana possession

NJ recently legalized weed, so pretty soon those arrests won't be an issue.

Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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Post by bmn__ »

gadrev wrote: post #23
throwaway1090 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's on youtube [1]. They released another documentary with the same name and the same Newark subject with 2020 updates [2]. They both have the same duration but are different. [1] Policing the Police (2016) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_8vTl6D940 [2] Policing the Police (2020) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taNwWilMVLg Both come with optional English subtitles.

I guess it's US only? Can't access from EU.

Works for me, also EU.

Use torsocks and youtube-dl to circumvent your region blocking.

Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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Post by srswtf123 »

ineedasername wrote: post #48
elil17 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not arrest people for doing things it's been ordered to arrest people for doing Yes. No one’s ordered police to focus on anyone one kind of crime. Police in America have total discretion to choose which laws they enforce and which they don’t. In Arizona you can get six months in jail for spitting in a public park, but you don’t see Arizona cops trying to arrest everyone for that. It’s a federal crime to let your do…

focus on marijuana possession NJ recently legalized weed, so pretty soon those arrests won't be an issue.

Except see Chicago, where its also legal, and arresting black people for marijuana related crimes continues unabated.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-marijuana-le...

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