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Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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While the crime rate has been going down since 2013, Newark still has a murder rate of 57 per 100,000 while the US average is 5 per 100,000. Perhaps their policing model should not be copied. http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Newark-New-Jersey.html#

Do police actually affect the murder rate?

Yes, they murder tons of people.

Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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While the crime rate has been going down since 2013, Newark still has a murder rate of 57 per 100,000 while the US average is 5 per 100,000. Perhaps their policing model should not be copied. http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Newark-New-Jersey.html#

This is the most pathetic attempt to lie with statistics I have seen all week, congrats! JFC, can you not even be bothered to read the stat you tried to pick to prove your point? The rate according to data you provided was 20.3/100k. The murder rate is proportional to population density across the country as a general rule, so the 'US average' is a bullshit stat to try to use for comparison with a large city. If you…

> can you not even be bothered to read the stat you tried to pick to prove your point

Don’t do this here. The HN rules specifically discourage it:

Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that."

Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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I think this only addresses half of what's wrong with Newark PD.

Newark still spends about a third of it's city budget on police, at the expense of essential services like infrastructure and education.

Newark PD still arrests Black people at a much much higher rate than white people. The disparity of arrest rates is even greater when it comes to drug possession.

Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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I think this only addresses half of what's wrong with Newark PD. Newark still spends about a third of it's city budget on police, at the expense of essential services like infrastructure and education. Newark PD still arrests Black people at a much much higher rate than white people. The disparity of arrest rates is even greater when it comes to drug possession.

Check the demographics, white people make up only about one third of the population in Newark.

Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do police actually affect the murder rate?

Probably but for an extreme example, look at what’s happened in Portland.

Probably not causation. Crime rates are up nationwide. NYC is seeing a spike too and we've got the most expensive police force in the world. More likely the pandemic is to blame.

Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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I think this only addresses half of what's wrong with Newark PD. Newark still spends about a third of it's city budget on police, at the expense of essential services like infrastructure and education. Newark PD still arrests Black people at a much much higher rate than white people. The disparity of arrest rates is even greater when it comes to drug possession.

Check the demographics, white people make up only about one third of the population in Newark.

Arresting at a hire rate means in comparison to the demographics of the city. In 2020, 50% of Newark residents were Black but 80% of arrests were of Black people. 80% of victims of police use of force were Black. A third of the city is white but only 4% of police use of force victims are white. [1]

[1]: https://www.nj.com/opinion/2020/07/newark-must-do-more-to-st...

Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check the demographics, white people make up only about one third of the population in Newark.

Arresting at a hire rate means in comparison to the demographics of the city. In 2020, 50% of Newark residents were Black but 80% of arrests were of Black people. 80% of victims of police use of force were Black. A third of the city is white but only 4% of police use of force victims are white. [1] [1]: https://www.nj.com/opinion/2020/07/newark-must-do-more-to-st...

And do we know why this disparity exists?

Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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This is the most pathetic attempt to lie with statistics I have seen all week, congrats! JFC, can you not even be bothered to read the stat you tried to pick to prove your point? The rate according to data you provided was 20.3/100k. The murder rate is proportional to population density across the country as a general rule, so the 'US average' is a bullshit stat to try to use for comparison with a large city. If you…

> can you not even be bothered to read the stat you tried to pick to prove your point Don’t do this here. The HN rules specifically discourage it: Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that."

I did not claim they did not read the article, I explicitly called out the fact that the source they reference in support of a numerical claim actually said something completely different. Please do not try to be a pseudo-mod, we already have people with that task and they seem to be doing a better job of it than you.

Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check the demographics, white people make up only about one third of the population in Newark.

Arresting at a hire rate means in comparison to the demographics of the city. In 2020, 50% of Newark residents were Black but 80% of arrests were of Black people. 80% of victims of police use of force were Black. A third of the city is white but only 4% of police use of force victims are white. [1] [1]: https://www.nj.com/opinion/2020/07/newark-must-do-more-to-st...

I see. My mistake.
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