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Post by jshen »

camillomiller wrote: post #179
swiley wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is something I've been saying: Try cloning and building even a moderate project from github on iSH on the latest iThing with Apple silicon and compare the same on a pinephone with a decade old budget SoC. One will get painfully hot and visibly tick through a large fraction of the battery while not letting you look at anything else or look away from the screen without killing the 10s of minutes long operation whi…

Peak Hacker News. Comparing an iPad Pro with a Pinephone to do something 99.9% of iPad Pro target audience wouldn’t even know the meaning of.

I hear this argument a lot, but I don't buy it. Let's flip it around, 99% of people will want to do something with their computer that will turn out to be a giant pain in the ass with an ipad compared to a mac or windows laptop.

If you had a friend/relative that didn't have much money, and was asking you for advice about which "computer" to get and they can only have one. Would you recommend an ipad? There is no chance I would recommend an ipad in this context.

Jobs liked to describe computers as bicycles for the mind. The ipad is a unicycle for the mind.

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Post by dmcginty »

rasengan wrote: post #218
smasher164 wrote: post #46

To me, it doesn't matter how powerful the iPad is if the software experience is subpar. Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist, multi-display setups can only mirror at a fixed aspect ratio, it lacks multiple user profiles requiring a family to be under a single user, and the few apps that take advantage of the keyboard/trackpad are nowhere similar to their desktop counterparts. Take Excel for…

What I do these days is use an iPad Pro and use a cloud-based virtual desktop [1] so I have the best of both worlds with me. The caveat is that you can't do this without internet access. [1] https://shells.com/

This is a neat idea, but I feel like an iPad Pro is overkill for accessing a virtual desktop. You could set up something similar with an old laptop for a fraction of the price.

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Post by deergomoo »

notJim wrote: post #206
smasher164 wrote: post #46

To me, it doesn't matter how powerful the iPad is if the software experience is subpar. Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist, multi-display setups can only mirror at a fixed aspect ratio, it lacks multiple user profiles requiring a family to be under a single user, and the few apps that take advantage of the keyboard/trackpad are nowhere similar to their desktop counterparts. Take Excel for…

For me the overall experience just doesn't work as a productivity device. The gestures to multitask are too complex. Every edge and corner has a different meaning, and swiping does several different things depending on direction. It's not natural to have your monitor and keyboard super close together, and to have your monitor sitting directly on a desk. It's not comfortable to poke a semi-vertical touchscreen over a…

> It's not comfortable to poke a semi-vertical touchscreen over a long period of time where you have to support your whole arm while also making precise movements with your fingers.

To be fair I think Apple knows this too, which is why trackpad/mouse support is now a first class feature rather than an accessibility option.

And also probably why they have never released touch Macs.

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Post by justaguy88 »

foldr wrote: post #233
swiley wrote: post #188

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If you're not going to do anything where performance matters why pay a premium for it?

Video and photo editing are common iPad Pro use cases where performance matters.

I always assumed that safari/youtube/netflix were the common use cases. Do numerically many people actually video/photo editing on these devices to make it "common"?

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Post by dijit »

rvz wrote: post #193
ttul wrote: post #88

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This was indeed one of Apple's best moves ever. I've been happily using the M1 MacBook Air. So long as you steer clear of heavy apps that aren't M1-optimized, the battery life is insane and the device seems to make use of the high performance cores, which really scream. I am confident that the iMac will take advantage of that huge wedge of metal to dissipate heat even better than the laptops do. That will allow it to…

From the grandparent comment: > I have never been happier with a laptop than this first generation M1 MBP. I always skip the first generation of any Apple product. The M1 adoption cycle was infested with hype and was somewhat a hacky process, especially for the developer software ecosystem, and it is still immature, un-optimised and still not ready. You still can't even use two monitors on the M1 Macbook Air simultan…

The hype so far is very well justified, though.

There are issues, for sure, the "2 displays, max" limitation, the memory limitation, these are real problems- but they're not hidden away, they're well known and understood and if you can live with that then these are genuinely generational leaps in terms of performance/watt which _really matters_.

Your negativity is misplaced, the machines limitations are well understood and the performance advantages known too.

We don't know what M2/M1X will bring, but if you want huge performance wins _today_ and not hypothetically then the M1 is delivering that.

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Post by filleduchaos »

foldr wrote: post #233
swiley wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're not going to do anything where performance matters why pay a premium for it?

Video and photo editing are common iPad Pro use cases where performance matters.

Haven't you heard? Programming is the only "pro" or performance-intensive thing that exists.

I don't even understand why programmers are always so up in arms about devices like the iPad. Why on earth does one want to program on a handheld touchscreen device anyway? I have zero expectations for that, much like I have zero expectations for the laptop I do program on to be a good drawing device.

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Post by midwestemo »

evertheylen wrote: post #230

Lots of people in here talking about trying to use to a tablet for productivity, but finding iPad OS a bit lacking. I'd cautiously suggest you check out the Samsung Tab S7(+). It is likely considered a worse tablet by many, but Samsung Dex [1] actually works quite well and using something like UserLAnd [2] you can have a full Linux environment (without root). I'm still experimenting a bit with the latter, but seeing…

I also recommend termux, code-server works on termux flawlessly.

https://termux.com/

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Post by emsy »

jshen wrote: post #232
enos_feedler wrote: post #219

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Productivity takes many shapes and forms. The use cases highlighted in the video were about capturing video podcasts, rendering previews in the field, etc. you can be productive without fitting into the traditional mold of productive computing. Thats what ipad is after.

ipad's limitations are arbitrary and have no strong reason to exist. I've been an apple fan for years, and bought my first PC in nearly 20 years recently because I shouldn't have to buy two very expensive apple devices (a mac, and an ipad) to cover all of my use cases.

Exactly, the Mac has very biased defaults but is open to customization. The iPad is very biased period. It’s „you’re using it wrong“ taken to the extreme. The device should work for the user. Every time I see a convoluted iPad remote webdev setup I can’t help but think the user is working for the device. (I have the same feeling towards using VIM as a general purpose IDE. It works but requires much more work than, say, using VSCode with a VI plug-in).

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Post by valesco »

pkulak wrote: post #184
clairity wrote: post #148

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> "...gesture-like latencies in between to get it to work." i hate that animations on ios are i/o blocking. every single time i have to enter my passcode, it misses at least one if not two of my keypresses, which means i have to erase the whole thing and do it more slowly since the missing keypresses are essentially random (not just the final one or two). another related annoyance is alert popups that occur more than…

"Pro" used to mean "professional" for Apple. Now it just means "expensive".

It’s been at least 13 years that the meaning has changed. Since the introduction of the 13 inch MacBook Pro.

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Post by justaguy88 »

sirn wrote: post #89
Spartan-S63 wrote: post #13

It'll be interesting to see if iPadOS 15 steps us any closer to laptop/desktop class usage. The biggest thing holding back iPad from being a real laptop replacement for so many is the software. It's also not as simple as porting macOS to iPad. I get Apple's hesitancy from a usability and a product cannibalization standpoint, but it's time they step things forward.

Just a wishful thinking, but since this is an M1 and not the A14X (and 8c+8c+8/16GB setup used in MacBook Pro even), I'm hoping that Hypervisor.framework will come to an iPadOS in the next WWDC. Having something like macOS.app, or even Ubuntu.app within iPad Pro would make it a pretty amazing convertible (for me).

Agreed, ubuntu.app would be amazing
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