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I believe this is the first time has ever advertised RAM in an iPad or iPhone.

Also the first time they shipped different amounts of ram stratified by storage choice.

Configurations are expensive. If you have 2 RAM configs and 4 storage configs you have 10 different models. This way they only have 5 models.

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My read: Apple has a disconnect between their product refreshes and the internal development on their M1 SoCs. They knew they weren't going to tackle Thunderbolt for the first gen of the M1 macbooks, but now the internal development has caught up enough and they're in a position where they have to refresh the iPad. So, of course, they put the new SoC into the refresh.

Is thunderbolt relevant to the iPad? Their video really tried to sell it, I don't really buy it. It's not like, "Oh, I would have used Photoshop on the iPad, but the transfer speeds are too slow so I guess I'll get something else." That's not to say that it isn't welcome, just that it's not a big deal for this particular product.

The MacBooks and the new iMacs on the other hand, yeah -- thunderbolt is a huge deal over there. Apple's 2nd gen ARM laptops should scare the hell out of all their competition.

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To me, it doesn't matter how powerful the iPad is if the software experience is subpar. Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist, multi-display setups can only mirror at a fixed aspect ratio, it lacks multiple user profiles requiring a family to be under a single user, and the few apps that take advantage of the keyboard/trackpad are nowhere similar to their desktop counterparts. Take Excel for…

>Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist

iPad OS desperately needs a persistent dock or taskbar, like we see on macOS and Windows. The gesture system is too cumbersome to be effective.

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To me, it doesn't matter how powerful the iPad is if the software experience is subpar. Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist, multi-display setups can only mirror at a fixed aspect ratio, it lacks multiple user profiles requiring a family to be under a single user, and the few apps that take advantage of the keyboard/trackpad are nowhere similar to their desktop counterparts. Take Excel for…

> "...gesture-like latencies in between to get it to work." i hate that animations on ios are i/o blocking. every single time i have to enter my passcode, it misses at least one if not two of my keypresses, which means i have to erase the whole thing and do it more slowly since the missing keypresses are essentially random (not just the final one or two). another related annoyance is alert popups that occur more than…

"Pro" used to mean "professional" for Apple. Now it just means "expensive".

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Yeah, I saw this announcement and was thinking, “Why do I need more power?” coming from a 2018 iPad Pro. All this power is cool , but, the design of iPadOS is just not conducive to me wanting to get anything done on it. I know that’s ambiguous and hand wavey. Part of it is certainly the multitasking. Part of it is the keyboard. Part of it is no local Unix or build tools or good code editor. Yeah, I can SSH into anoth…

Apple should let users alternate between iOS and macOS on this device. They should also enable touch on the iMac and let users run iOS on that as well.

Agreed. They can already support mice, why can't I just use it as a computer when I want!

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I own a 2018 iPad Pro, and it's possibly the best & most versatile device I've ever owned. Among the things I use it for are: surfing the web whilst on the couch, checking in on my RSS feeds, casual gaming, watching movies, reading PDF & Kindle e-books, handwritten & typed notes for work & study, replying emails, portable RDP, VNC & SSH client on the go. And I'm probably still forgetting a lot of things...

Agree its a great tablet! It is versatile and I use the pencil quite a bit... HOWEVER, if it could boot to a desktop OS in addition to iPadOS... it would be the absolute killer machine for almost every use case under the sun, imo.

I absolutely agree.

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For this Mother's Day I am thinking of getting my old mother either an iPad Pro (M1) or Macbook Air (M1). Emphasized on "old" because she is technically quite illiterate. She does use iPhone though. I wonder what will be the better gift for her? Is iPad quite foolproof? I am thinking of getting the magic keyboard as well and the mouse in case she needs a mouse. Her workflow most likely just browsing, email, FaceTime,…

iPad for sure! I went with the mini for my parents.

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post #109

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This is something I've been saying: Try cloning and building even a moderate project from github on iSH on the latest iThing with Apple silicon and compare the same on a pinephone with a decade old budget SoC. One will get painfully hot and visibly tick through a large fraction of the battery while not letting you look at anything else or look away from the screen without killing the 10s of minutes long operation whi…

Peak Hacker News. Comparing an iPad Pro with a Pinephone to do something 99.9% of iPad Pro target audience wouldn’t even know the meaning of.

If you're not going to do anything where performance matters why pay a premium for it?

Re: iPad Pro M1

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post #109

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This is something I've been saying: Try cloning and building even a moderate project from github on iSH on the latest iThing with Apple silicon and compare the same on a pinephone with a decade old budget SoC. One will get painfully hot and visibly tick through a large fraction of the battery while not letting you look at anything else or look away from the screen without killing the 10s of minutes long operation whi…

> Try cloning and building even a moderate project from github on iSH on the latest iThing with Apple silicon OK but you are describing something that 99.8% of iThing owners will never do.

They will likewise also not care about the increased computational power here.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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post #68

It'll be interesting to see if iPadOS 15 steps us any closer to laptop/desktop class usage. The biggest thing holding back iPad from being a real laptop replacement for so many is the software. It's also not as simple as porting macOS to iPad. I get Apple's hesitancy from a usability and a product cannibalization standpoint, but it's time they step things forward.

I have zero interest in using a worse laptop. Touch screens are an anti-feature. For decades we have tried as an industry to do touch interfaces on “real” computers and it’s always horrible because it’s not actually a thing worth doing. With M1 Macs being a thing I have no idea what benefits an iPad offers.

i think tablets have their place, but i find that as a tablet interface, windows 10 seems morbidly overweight. Android otoh is too lightweight imho. i think a 2 in 1 might be an ideal compromise. meanwhile ms is trying to push a succession of thinly-veiled tablets, which i don't understand. Windows is a desktop OS, why promote it on the environment it's least comfortable with?

Anyway, just working my way through a stomachache...

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