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Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

kypro wrote: post #133

YouTube's content policy is bizare. Children in my family seem to watch videos of Spiderman dry humping Elsa or grannies kicking people in the nuts, but then they remove stuff like this. I guess this is what happens when advertisers are the main priority and the moderators have all been replaced with robots. Content that may actually harm the development of children is considered fine, while someone posting a slightl…

The author receiving a strike can mean two things: a) the policy prohibits this b) a mistake was made.

The author seems to consider the latter more likely.

Likewise, Spiderman dry humping Elsa staying up can mean either that the policy allows it, or, much more likely, that they just didn't manage to identify and take it down yet.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by crocsarecool »

tacosaretasty wrote: post #230

The hypocrisy from Google here is palpable. First this content creator got a strike for showing users how GPG works and now for linking to academic research. On the other hand you have Google project zero who openly publish vulnerability research to the detriment of some software vendors. You can’t have it both ways and as someone who works in this space I’m pretty upset by this ham fisted approach to censoring conte…

I used to love Google - I can’t believe I’m feeling the same way. Everything is so downhill for them. Searching isn’t as great as it used to be. Popular services get killed to be replaced by replicas (thinking of messaging apps). What the heck is going on with Google? I used to think they were innovators, and now I feel like they’re just Big Brother.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by ranieuwe »

yarcob wrote: post #224
hansel_der wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i kind of get where you are coming from but denying access to knowledge/reality is not helpful.

our kids are not allowed to watch youtube on their own because youtubes algorithms surface the worst of the worst Youtube is not something kids can use without supervision.

And for those pointing out YouTube Kids: it is only slightly less bad. It’s still full of questionable material.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by Goronmon »

Silhouette wrote: post #150
bluecalm wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe we could have that if the uploader is responsible, not the platform. Want to upload fast and not having your content taken down - deal with the legal issues yourself. Want anonymous uploading and/or some protection - deal with automatic systems as employing enough people is just too expensive.

Maybe we could have that if the uploader is responsible, not the platform. Maybe we could have the uploader host their own content, and do away with hosting platforms and their gatekeeping altogether? I can see little reason today that well-established technologies and individual hosting arrangements couldn't offer similar value to whatever YouTube or some other centralised hosting service offers. We are talking abou…

...if individual creators and community groups facilitating content discovery is a viable culture...

That's a pretty big if, and from my limited perspective, the most important problem content creators have and the most useful service Youtube provides.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by t-writescode »

Minor49er wrote: post #221
hansel_der wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i kind of get where you are coming from but denying access to knowledge/reality is not helpful.

What knowledge/reality is gained from videos of Spiderman dry humping Elsa or grannies kicking people in the nuts? This is the typical kinds of content that YouTube has lined up for children. Do you really expect a cesspool like this to harbor anything of quality or value for developing minds?

You're speaking of a specific instance and declaring all instances bad. This is unhelpful.

If that specific video exists and if it's common, this conversation could be had; but, it's relatively uncommon, making it a surprise.

The real answer, as someone else has alluded to, is that YouTube is something that parents should watch or be aware of with their children.

There is a great deal of valuable information on YouTube and cancelling it wholesale is absolutely the wrong approach.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by t-writescode »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #231
kypro wrote: post #133

YouTube's content policy is bizare. Children in my family seem to watch videos of Spiderman dry humping Elsa or grannies kicking people in the nuts, but then they remove stuff like this. I guess this is what happens when advertisers are the main priority and the moderators have all been replaced with robots. Content that may actually harm the development of children is considered fine, while someone posting a slightl…

The author receiving a strike can mean two things: a) the policy prohibits this b) a mistake was made. The author seems to consider the latter more likely. Likewise, Spiderman dry humping Elsa staying up can mean either that the policy allows it, or, much more likely, that they just didn't manage to identify and take it down yet.

The problem is, how difficult is it for the average, non-special YouTube producer able to fix "b) a mistake was made."

?

And, how long are they refused earnings during that time?

It's similar to the copyright infringement stuff, where real livelihoods can be put in jeopardy from these sorts of decisions.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by t-writescode »

arminiusreturns wrote: post #120

Stop buying into the "the AI did it" whitewashing. Youtube is selectively targeting more and more channels and videos for daring to be any sort of contrarian. Its psyops under any other name.

YouTube is? Or we as a society are?

The world of Fahrenheit 451 didn't arrive that way in a day, it probably took decades.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by jb775 »

Not a popular opinion here but selectively covering up research is a play straight out of the Communist Manifesto. This sounds more like concerns over the spread of hacking intel, but it's worth noting yet another example given big tech's selective censorship over the past year.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by 3minus1 »

shakezula wrote: post #151
kypro wrote: post #133

YouTube's content policy is bizare. Children in my family seem to watch videos of Spiderman dry humping Elsa or grannies kicking people in the nuts, but then they remove stuff like this. I guess this is what happens when advertisers are the main priority and the moderators have all been replaced with robots. Content that may actually harm the development of children is considered fine, while someone posting a slightl…

YouTube will robot-moderate themselves into the ground. Too many people are leaving the platform. It’s just a trickle now but soon it will be a flow. It’s the inevitable result of moderation based only on who’s paying you.

> Too many people are leaving the platform

A quick google search shows the platform has 2 billion monthly active users[1]. A number that has only been growing. Why do you claim people are leaving? Is it because of a handful of high-profile cases, or maybe you live in a hackernews/techie thought bubble where everyone is annoyed at youtube? The claim that people are leaving, or will leave is just completely baseless imo. This reminds me of the saying "there are 2 types of programming languages: those that people complain about, and those that no one uses".

[1] https://www.businessofapps.com/data/youtube-statistics/

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by libraryatnight »

b3kart wrote: post #16
m_a_g wrote: post #4

>Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale. >Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong. Can't agree more.

The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Would that work with the current society's attention span? Is YouTube as we know it actually feasible without AI-based moderation? Can it be a sustainable business with an army of human moderators and/or a drastically reduced sc…

> The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube?

People will eventually be fine with however the system works. If that's how it works, they assume that's how it has to be. Most of users have no idea how this stuff functions. We're in it now because the expectation has been set for instant uploads, so there would be outrage, but eventually it becomes "the way things are." As an example see any change users hate - users complain, TPTB either concede completely (rare) and revert, make minor concessions but change little, or apologize for the inconvenience and do nothing. Eventually nobody cares anymore and forgets they were angry.

Most of this stuff barely matters. Frankly it might be good if my nephews had to wait longer between any number of irritating youtube videos they binge and parrot.

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