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YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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We should start letting "AI" decide the outcome in any of Google's pending court cases. We could setup a twitter account and direct them to complain, I mean appeal by @ the twitter account and hope the bot gods decide their tweet is worthy enough for human review

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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I'm seriously considering it, but I'm a heavy IMAP user. When you enable IMAP in ProtonMail, it's no different than any other mail provider, security wise. This is the dilemma for me.

Technically no different but you have cast a small vote to behavior you no loner tolerate or support (socially). Even if it’s a fraction of a dollar. In aggregate they add up.

That's another point to look at it, you're right.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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post #9

Maybe it's time for a public company-independent complains-platform where all companies are obliged by law to respond. Each complaint of course is hidden behind some anti-bot captcha/protection so that the companies themselve can't use AI to answer your complaints.

What do you think this will achieve? We know what Google thinks; they don't want this content on their platform.

Forcing them to state that in a specific forum as some sort of power play isn't going to help.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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post #9

Maybe it's time for a public company-independent complains-platform where all companies are obliged by law to respond. Each complaint of course is hidden behind some anti-bot captcha/protection so that the companies themselve can't use AI to answer your complaints.

That sounds like something that the government should oversee, maybe they could also make some regulations so that , I dunno, corporations might need to be responsible for their actions.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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>Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale. >Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong. Can't agree more.

The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Would that work with the current society's attention span?

Is YouTube as we know it actually feasible without AI-based moderation? Can it be a sustainable business with an army of human moderators and/or a drastically reduced scale as a result?

I don't know, but I have my doubts.

Yes, moderation/suspensions can be a pain, and pointing out embarrassing mistakes is important to add pressure on Google to put more resources into it. At the same time, YouTube is full of great content and content creators. Anyone can upload a video and make it viewable by billions, instantly. I think we shouldn't forget how amazing this actually is.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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>Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale. >Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong. Can't agree more.

The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Would that work with the current society's attention span? Is YouTube as we know it actually feasible without AI-based moderation? Can it be a sustainable business with an army of human moderators and/or a drastically reduced sc…

What if... instead of YouTube you'd have several intereset based sites which could actually handle their moderation and workload instead of being a giant uncaring behemoth?

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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export all of your email to Protonmail and stop sucking on that Google breast

I'm seriously considering it, but I'm a heavy IMAP user. When you enable IMAP in ProtonMail, it's no different than any other mail provider, security wise. This is the dilemma for me.

It is for this reason I am moving away from ProtonMail to Migadu. Literally any IMAP-offering email service would do. All that we need is a custom domain.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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post #16

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The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Would that work with the current society's attention span? Is YouTube as we know it actually feasible without AI-based moderation? Can it be a sustainable business with an army of human moderators and/or a drastically reduced sc…

What if... instead of YouTube you'd have several intereset based sites which could actually handle their moderation and workload instead of being a giant uncaring behemoth?

Isn't that basically how reddit operates? And last I heard they have their native video hosting as well. Sounds like this could work, but doesn't quite at the moment. Is YouTube handling content discovery better? Network effects maybe?

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Would that work with the current society's attention span? Is YouTube as we know it actually feasible without AI-based moderation? Can it be a sustainable business with an army of human moderators and/or a drastically reduced sc…

What if... instead of YouTube you'd have several intereset based sites which could actually handle their moderation and workload instead of being a giant uncaring behemoth?

Who pays for the moderators? You still need a lot of manpower if you don't want algorithms, regardless of whether you have one Youtube or a thousand SpecialInterestTube.
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