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Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by zentiggr »

ddtaylor wrote: post #183

One of the largest and most profitable companies in the world can't hire enough low-paid humans to do content review. They already have some of the highest margins in history and they still can't figure out that sacrificing less than 1% of profits could solve this problem?

Paying less attention to YouTube also solves this problem.

People still can't figure out that not watching YouTube solves all moderation problems?

Google doesn't care about those posting on YouTube. They care about advertisers pulling their money if whatever content infringes on THEIR priorities.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by gambiting »

foepys wrote: post #188
gambiting wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>VW, one of the two largest auto makers, makes around 300€ profit per vehicle sale (excluding luxury brands). Seeing as it's absolutely trivial to negotiate 10% discount on any new VW car, I struggle to see how that's true? Unless you mean that VW makes 300 euro and the rest is the profit of the dealership? Even if that's true, VW makes an absolute mountain of money through financial services. Yes, they will make ve…

I don't see how you are contradicting me? That's exactly what I said. The dealer doesn't matter here, it's just about the manufacturer.

Oh it's not about contradiction, I'm just curious where the 300€ value comes from.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by root_axis »

im3w1l wrote: post #196
root_axis wrote: post #174

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So what is the activist political position on WPA2 vulnerabilities? You see what you want to see, but YouTube hosts an overwhelming abundance of evidence that contradicts your claim.

Internal employee pressure is the cause of some things getting removed, but they are not behind everything. In this particular case it might bdriven by legal concerns or something. But it should also be seen in light of the status quo. When censorship being the new default, then it doesn't take a strong reason to add another thing, such as hacking-adjacent content to the no-go pile. The code is already written, and t…

Without any evidence this is just speculation. The reality is, there are many popular political YouTube channels that represent viewpoints all across the spectrum and this is an easily verifiable fact. I am yet to see any evidence that YouTube is motivated by anything other than money.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by zentiggr »

giansegato wrote: post #83
enriquto wrote: post #77

> I am a privacy and security researcher and content creator on YouTube and PeerTube. > I am no longer able to post content for a week. Honestly, they had it coming. While "regular people" can be understood to use overtly shitty platforms like youtube, somebody who is a security and privacy researcher has no excuse. They should just avoid platforms with such callously hostile policies. Moreso when there are plenty of…

If you're interested in reaching out the mainstream public to increase its exposure to a topic you care about, there's no way around YouTube and the like It's obviously and evidently not about uploading videos, but rather to build and reach a community Also, it's wrong to accept that these platforms have this kind of influence and we should just avoid them. They're part of the social fabric of our time, and it's our…

I see that "duty" as avoiding using YouTube and encouraging others to do so as well, until YouTube goes the way of MySpace and Yahoo and every other service that's lost their way.

Eventually even Google in general.

MySpace was part of the social fabric, too, at one point.

No one is too big to fail or at least become irrelevant. No one is sacred.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway_kufu wrote: post #192
b3kart wrote: post #16

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The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Would that work with the current society's attention span? Is YouTube as we know it actually feasible without AI-based moderation? Can it be a sustainable business with an army of human moderators and/or a drastically reduced sc…

> Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Well presumably Google being one of the worlds wealthiest corporations could hire and pay people a living wage to match the demand of users looking to upload videos to YouTube. It is in YouTube’s interest as it only exists and makes money on this very user generated content. Yeah it’s great YouTube exists and…

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Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by ehsankia »

doublejay1999 wrote: post #195
b3kart wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Would that work with the current society's attention span? Is YouTube as we know it actually feasible without AI-based moderation? Can it be a sustainable business with an army of human moderators and/or a drastically reduced sc…

The answers to all your questions is no, which is precisely the point the author is trying to make. If we made the case for operating "at human scale" Youtube would be amongst first casualties. to your last point : > Anyone can upload a video and make it viewable by billions, instantly. I think we shouldn't forget how amazing this actually is. By the same reasoning, COVID-19 is similarly amazing. Opinions move on : Y…

Do you have reason to believe it can be done better than how Youtube does it? Again, there are two approach:

1. Limit who can post content

You'll end up with only the powerful being able to push content, you're taking the voice away from the masses.

2. Try to gradually improve content moderation and live with the rare false-positives or false-negatives.

This is the current approach, and while not perfect, I personally much prefer it to the former.

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Post by syshum »

kingsuper20 wrote: post #121
syshum wrote: post #112

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That is why we need Copyright reform to take the teeth out of media companies. Return copyright in the US back to the original constitutional limits

Never'll happen. “Congress shall have power… to promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.” As I read it, the law should be formed to maximize progress, not to maximize value of an idea. But, a large amorphous group of citizens will never overcome a small, highly-concentrated self interested…

Well the google case put a huge dent in the prevailing idea that Maximum value / profit is the constitutional purpose.

The court clearly held that profitability alone should not be a factor.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by ehsankia »

arminiusreturns wrote: post #120

Stop buying into the "the AI did it" whitewashing. Youtube is selectively targeting more and more channels and videos for daring to be any sort of contrarian. Its psyops under any other name.

Are you claiming that Youtube is running psyops trying to cover up PhD research into WPA2 security? I don't want to distort your argument, I honestly don't get how you went from a WPA2 video being accidentally taken down to "this is intentional psychological warfare"...

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Post by timbre1234 »

leereeves wrote: post #198
Balgair wrote: post #184

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It seems like they are making their own sites. Nebula is one such place where a few of the higher quality content creators are going. I've no idea if it'll work, but they are trying. https://watchnebula.com/

With a $5 monthly fee and no way to upload your own videos, Nebula is most directly competing against Netflix, not YouTube. A few top creators might be able to make that work, but most won't.

And no free trial w/o giving credit card info. Yeah, hard pass.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by dragonwriter »

kingsuper20 wrote: post #121
syshum wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is why we need Copyright reform to take the teeth out of media companies. Return copyright in the US back to the original constitutional limits

Never'll happen. “Congress shall have power… to promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.” As I read it, the law should be formed to maximize progress, not to maximize value of an idea. But, a large amorphous group of citizens will never overcome a small, highly-concentrated self interested…

> I doubt you'll ever see the copyright-opening version of the NRA

Corrupt influence-peddling charlatans milking the rubes?

Or was there something else intended by this analogy?

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