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Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by gambiting »

foepys wrote: post #144
adrianN wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mazda earns several hundred to several thousand dollars of profit from the sale of a car to you. Google earns an order of magnitude or two less per user.

Thousands of dollars are only possible with luxury cars. VW, one of the two largest auto makers, makes around 300€ profit per vehicle sale (excluding luxury brands). For some models it's even less than 100€. You can calculate around 1% profit for a car sale, often less. The actual money is in leasing and financing, which is why almost all automakers own a bank.

>>VW, one of the two largest auto makers, makes around 300€ profit per vehicle sale (excluding luxury brands).

Seeing as it's absolutely trivial to negotiate 10% discount on any new VW car, I struggle to see how that's true? Unless you mean that VW makes 300 euro and the rest is the profit of the dealership?

Even if that's true, VW makes an absolute mountain of money through financial services. Yes, they will make very little profit selling you a £12k Polo, but VW Financial Services will make £2-3k just providing you with a financial agreement for it.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by freebuju »

danuker wrote: post #82
privatesgtrj wrote: post #61

Google is a private company. It's fully within their rights to remove any video they don't like, for whatever reason. It comes with the territory if we want Google to be able to censor hate speech and misinformation. You can always use a competing site, or build your own.

Except the sheer scale of Google is hair-raising. (Sleep tight dear FTC). If Google loses a YouTube creator, it has almost no impact on their bottom line. If a creator gets kicked out however, their livelihood is threatened. I would argue this is the perfect scenario for a creator's union (of course, it should use some other platform to communicate).

> If a creator gets kicked out however, their livelihood is threatened

No. There are numerous providers that can host your videos. For a small fee. This mentality is what gives Google such pseudo-power.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by ddtaylor »

One of the largest and most profitable companies in the world can't hire enough low-paid humans to do content review. They already have some of the highest margins in history and they still can't figure out that sacrificing less than 1% of profits could solve this problem?

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by Balgair »

iso8859-1 wrote: post #168
shakezula wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube will robot-moderate themselves into the ground. Too many people are leaving the platform. It’s just a trickle now but soon it will be a flow. It’s the inevitable result of moderation based only on who’s paying you.

Where are people escaping to? Are people publishing their own content on Gopher or BitTorrent nowadays? These platforms have a perfect balance of usability and freedom. They can take over the world.

It seems like they are making their own sites. Nebula is one such place where a few of the higher quality content creators are going. I've no idea if it'll work, but they are trying.

https://watchnebula.com/

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Post by anticensor »

foepys wrote: post #22
adrianN wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who pays for the moderators? You still need a lot of manpower if you don't want algorithms, regardless of whether you have one Youtube or a thousand SpecialInterestTube.

Tech is very special in a way where they can get away with claiming that quite a lot is not possible at their scale. Imagine this for other industries. "We cannot do quality control before sending products out. We make too much stuff." "We don't check all tickets for the venue. Too many people." "Cleaning the entire building is not possible. It's too much space."

"We don't check all tickets for the venue. Too many people."

This happens in some public transport operators already.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by foepys »

gambiting wrote: post #181
foepys wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thousands of dollars are only possible with luxury cars. VW, one of the two largest auto makers, makes around 300€ profit per vehicle sale (excluding luxury brands). For some models it's even less than 100€. You can calculate around 1% profit for a car sale, often less. The actual money is in leasing and financing, which is why almost all automakers own a bank.

>>VW, one of the two largest auto makers, makes around 300€ profit per vehicle sale (excluding luxury brands). Seeing as it's absolutely trivial to negotiate 10% discount on any new VW car, I struggle to see how that's true? Unless you mean that VW makes 300 euro and the rest is the profit of the dealership? Even if that's true, VW makes an absolute mountain of money through financial services. Yes, they will make ve…

I don't see how you are contradicting me? That's exactly what I said. The dealer doesn't matter here, it's just about the manufacturer.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by sigstoat »

Karunamon wrote: post #119
colejohnson66 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The media companies made sure that’ll never happen again :/ That’s how we got ContentID: to prevent music and video piracy.

Something I never quite understood... couldn't Google have just said "no" and required them to submit DMCA takedowns? The law doesn't require the level of broken proactivity that Youtube has.

google wants the content up. it is in their interests for there to be as much mundane fluffy ad-watch-generating content as possible.

having it DMCA'd down is a problem for youtube. content id is how most of the material can stay up, the riaa can stay happy, and google can sell ads.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by ravenstine »

b3kart wrote: post #16
m_a_g wrote: post #4

>Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale. >Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong. Can't agree more.

The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Would that work with the current society's attention span? Is YouTube as we know it actually feasible without AI-based moderation? Can it be a sustainable business with an army of human moderators and/or a drastically reduced sc…

I'd say it's infeasible without AI moderation based on their revenue model. They will never make enough money off intellectual content in order to pay for enough humans to moderate their system. Content for the lowest common denominator is not only easy as hell for an AI to moderate but it makes orders of magnitude more revenue than anything about technology, science, philosophy, etc.

The answer is to simply not rely on YouTube for anything besides lifestyle and self-help vlogs, marketing, instructions on how to put together your IKEA bookshelf, and of course cat videos. There are plenty of other video hosting sites that won't ruin your day as a creator because you accidentally used the word "doodie" or because the AI thinks your video on writing "hello world" in Rust is teaching people to hack computers.

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