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Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by enriquto »

giansegato wrote: post #83
enriquto wrote: post #77

> I am a privacy and security researcher and content creator on YouTube and PeerTube. > I am no longer able to post content for a week. Honestly, they had it coming. While "regular people" can be understood to use overtly shitty platforms like youtube, somebody who is a security and privacy researcher has no excuse. They should just avoid platforms with such callously hostile policies. Moreso when there are plenty of…

If you're interested in reaching out the mainstream public to increase its exposure to a topic you care about, there's no way around YouTube and the like It's obviously and evidently not about uploading videos, but rather to build and reach a community Also, it's wrong to accept that these platforms have this kind of influence and we should just avoid them. They're part of the social fabric of our time, and it's our…

> If you're interested in reaching out the mainstream public to increase its exposure to a topic you care about, there's no way around YouTube and the like

This kind of attitude only serves to entrench the problem and make everything worse. Even if you are not personally affected by youtube's damaging policies, just using the platform is an insulting lack of respect towards other people who are. What ever happened to "be the change you want to see in the world"? Any such change must be led by knowledgeable people like this security researcher. I hope that this ban serves Sun Knudsen (who already publishes their videos on peertube) to lead more and more people out of this and other user-hostile platforms, until these platforms finally turn into a cesspool of content-free "influencers".

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by syshum »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #78
ttt0 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Or they could just stop doing that and go back to how it used to be. Let people upload videos and review them only after it was flagged. Novel idea, I know.

The media companies made sure that’ll never happen again :/ That’s how we got ContentID: to prevent music and video piracy.

That is why we need Copyright reform to take the teeth out of media companies.

Return copyright in the US back to the original constitutional limits

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by judge2020 »

b3kart wrote: post #19
izacus wrote: post #17

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What if... instead of YouTube you'd have several intereset based sites which could actually handle their moderation and workload instead of being a giant uncaring behemoth?

Isn't that basically how reddit operates? And last I heard they have their native video hosting as well. Sounds like this could work, but doesn't quite at the moment. Is YouTube handling content discovery better? Network effects maybe?

Reddit is interest-based but gets free labor from most subreddit moderators that remove bad content for them. Reddit is also much less lucrative of a content platform given you have limited ways to make money (usually limited to linking to your patreon), so the content is constrained to whatever people do with no expectation of money.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by ttt0 »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #78
ttt0 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Or they could just stop doing that and go back to how it used to be. Let people upload videos and review them only after it was flagged. Novel idea, I know.

The media companies made sure that’ll never happen again :/ That’s how we got ContentID: to prevent music and video piracy.

That's its own thing and it's just as absurd as this, but this person got a strike for "violating harmful and dangerous policy".

I don't upload any videos, but if their AI for reviewing videos is as bad as their AI for reviewing comments then both should be completely scrapped. Because it's not a regex matching or whatnot, but AI, it's impossible to predict which comment or a livechat message will get through. In practice it's virtually random. And the worst part is that they don't even bother to mention that your comment was 'problematic' to them, you have to have two windows open, one for posting and one on private mode to verify which of your comments actually showed up.

Just as a disclaimer, I haven't tried it in a while, so maybe it's somewhat better now, I don't know.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by dbuder »

devmor wrote: post #95
thu2111 wrote: post #85

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What's with the assumption here that there aren't humans involved in this decision? The linked post literally quotes Google saying: "Hi Sun Knudsen, Our team has reviewed your content, and, unfortunately, we think it violates our harmful and dangerous policy." Google has always had humans in the loop. Not for every decision but certainly the more impactful ones that affect user generated content. When I worked there,…

"Our team" is quite often a lie. Why do you assume that a human was involved? Especially when it comes to Google, who notoriously skimps on human support staff.

They lie both ways too, whenever there is a public kerfuffle they always blame the algorithm / the AI.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by [deleted] »

Nasrudith wrote: post #96
criley2 wrote: post #25

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>What if... instead of YouTube you'd have several intereset based sites which could actually handle their moderation and workload instead of being a giant uncaring behemoth? What if... the average viewer was willing to pay for video content instead of requiring a free, unprofitable service run as a "Free add-on" to an Ad Empire? Youtube may finally be profitable in the past few years but the first 90% of its existenc…

Have you forgotten abour Netflix and the innumerable streaming services out there as every studio and their dog's mother wants to claim 100% of the pie? The money isn't an issue - it is a freudian slip that either you want it to be like cable or are blindly repeating the words of someone who does. If you don't like youtube's free service you can get your money back.

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Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by bluecalm »

b3kart wrote: post #16
m_a_g wrote: post #4

>Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale. >Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong. Can't agree more.

The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Would that work with the current society's attention span? Is YouTube as we know it actually feasible without AI-based moderation? Can it be a sustainable business with an army of human moderators and/or a drastically reduced sc…

Maybe we could have that if the uploader is responsible, not the platform.

Want to upload fast and not having your content taken down - deal with the legal issues yourself.

Want anonymous uploading and/or some protection - deal with automatic systems as employing enough people is just too expensive.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by Karunamon »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #78
ttt0 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Or they could just stop doing that and go back to how it used to be. Let people upload videos and review them only after it was flagged. Novel idea, I know.

The media companies made sure that’ll never happen again :/ That’s how we got ContentID: to prevent music and video piracy.

Something I never quite understood... couldn't Google have just said "no" and required them to submit DMCA takedowns? The law doesn't require the level of broken proactivity that Youtube has.
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