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Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by HenryBemis »

> Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale.

BYOReligion.. and Google believes that they need to increase 'engagement', increase profit, and decrease headcount.. so.. there you have it dear Sun Knudsen.

Edit: I don't care for the 'virtual currency' of 'karma'. I wonder though; the sky is blue, I point at the sky, I say "the sky is blue", and people frown (?) upon me for stating the obvious fact of life.. Or is it just Google-trolls/fanboys/fangirls that don't like the true being called out? My above comment is also applicable to any entity that automates "as much as possible" and maintains a small team to manage operations. Something tells me that their internal Finance team has "enough" staff to monitor the General Ledger. Because General Ledger is critical to their $$$$$. A 'content creator' though, is not as critical, thus gets far less attention, and will only be bothered to fix this, if said person yells loud enough. How is this fact of life being downvoted? (not me.. I don't grow taller/shorter based on the karma points) :)

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by foepys »

adrianN wrote: post #20
izacus wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if... instead of YouTube you'd have several intereset based sites which could actually handle their moderation and workload instead of being a giant uncaring behemoth?

Who pays for the moderators? You still need a lot of manpower if you don't want algorithms, regardless of whether you have one Youtube or a thousand SpecialInterestTube.

Tech is very special in a way where they can get away with claiming that quite a lot is not possible at their scale. Imagine this for other industries.

"We cannot do quality control before sending products out. We make too much stuff."

"We don't check all tickets for the venue. Too many people."

"Cleaning the entire building is not possible. It's too much space."

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by boomboomsubban »

asimpletune wrote: post #13

The first part of the post, where they said the got a strike for teaching people how to use pgp... Wow, that’s um, wild

I believe it's still against US law to export pgp to certain countries, as it's considered munitions. Wild is a great description.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by viraptor »

adrianN wrote: post #20
izacus wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if... instead of YouTube you'd have several intereset based sites which could actually handle their moderation and workload instead of being a giant uncaring behemoth?

Who pays for the moderators? You still need a lot of manpower if you don't want algorithms, regardless of whether you have one Youtube or a thousand SpecialInterestTube.

I think it's much less work on SpecialInterestTube. On YouTube there's a huge amount of decisions and ideas the moderator has to take into account. The other one can filter a large amount of spam with "the first 5 seconds make it clear it's not SpecialInterest".

For example comparing to HN, I can go on "New" and see "Places to Spray a Fragrance on for a Long Lasting Effect-Ajulu's Thoughts" - I know it's immediately flaggable, even if it could be a valid post on another website. (and require a full review there to check it doesn't break some specific rules)

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by criley2 »

izacus wrote: post #17
b3kart wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Would that work with the current society's attention span? Is YouTube as we know it actually feasible without AI-based moderation? Can it be a sustainable business with an army of human moderators and/or a drastically reduced sc…

What if... instead of YouTube you'd have several intereset based sites which could actually handle their moderation and workload instead of being a giant uncaring behemoth?

>What if... instead of YouTube you'd have several intereset based sites which could actually handle their moderation and workload instead of being a giant uncaring behemoth?

What if... the average viewer was willing to pay for video content instead of requiring a free, unprofitable service run as a "Free add-on" to an Ad Empire?

Youtube may finally be profitable in the past few years but the first 90% of its existence, the entire rise to power, it was unprofitable and run at a loss. There aren't other major providers because no one else wants to lose that much money

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

adrianN wrote: post #20
izacus wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if... instead of YouTube you'd have several intereset based sites which could actually handle their moderation and workload instead of being a giant uncaring behemoth?

Who pays for the moderators? You still need a lot of manpower if you don't want algorithms, regardless of whether you have one Youtube or a thousand SpecialInterestTube.

Let people have the detestable YouTube TV for free as mods.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by Black101 »

I think that Google should hide all sites that display ads from the search results... because after all, it goes against AMP's principles of responsive websites.

They definitely should also block Gmail... because it has become incredibly slow to load.

I bet the CEO is laughing a lot when he sees all of this interacting together.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by b3kart »

foepys wrote: post #22
adrianN wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who pays for the moderators? You still need a lot of manpower if you don't want algorithms, regardless of whether you have one Youtube or a thousand SpecialInterestTube.

Tech is very special in a way where they can get away with claiming that quite a lot is not possible at their scale. Imagine this for other industries. "We cannot do quality control before sending products out. We make too much stuff." "We don't check all tickets for the venue. Too many people." "Cleaning the entire building is not possible. It's too much space."

All the examples you provide have to do with tangible, physical things. Tech is in some sense special because we're dealing with intangibles. It costs a bad actor next to nothing to upload the same video with harmful content to YouTube a thousand times, a million times even. And YouTube has to deal with all of this.

That's why they still use physical ballots in most elections: as soon as you're dealing with physical things the costs for a bad actor to do bad things at scale balloon up.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by JoBrad »

criley2 wrote: post #25
izacus wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if... instead of YouTube you'd have several intereset based sites which could actually handle their moderation and workload instead of being a giant uncaring behemoth?

>What if... instead of YouTube you'd have several intereset based sites which could actually handle their moderation and workload instead of being a giant uncaring behemoth? What if... the average viewer was willing to pay for video content instead of requiring a free, unprofitable service run as a "Free add-on" to an Ad Empire? Youtube may finally be profitable in the past few years but the first 90% of its existenc…

That will end up just like paywalls on news sites. It’s the best way forward (with tweaks), but ultimately will fail unless everyone participates.

Services like Brilliant and others are attempting what you’re suggesting, though.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by da_chicken »

foepys wrote: post #22
adrianN wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who pays for the moderators? You still need a lot of manpower if you don't want algorithms, regardless of whether you have one Youtube or a thousand SpecialInterestTube.

Tech is very special in a way where they can get away with claiming that quite a lot is not possible at their scale. Imagine this for other industries. "We cannot do quality control before sending products out. We make too much stuff." "We don't check all tickets for the venue. Too many people." "Cleaning the entire building is not possible. It's too much space."

Very much so. Tech companies have a way of confusing "this is difficult" with "this is impossible," or "this is impossible" with "this isn't free," or "this is impossible" with "we don't want to."
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