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Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by shakezula »

kypro wrote: post #133

YouTube's content policy is bizare. Children in my family seem to watch videos of Spiderman dry humping Elsa or grannies kicking people in the nuts, but then they remove stuff like this. I guess this is what happens when advertisers are the main priority and the moderators have all been replaced with robots. Content that may actually harm the development of children is considered fine, while someone posting a slightl…

YouTube will robot-moderate themselves into the ground. Too many people are leaving the platform. It’s just a trickle now but soon it will be a flow.

It’s the inevitable result of moderation based only on who’s paying you.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by [deleted] »

shakezula wrote: post #151
kypro wrote: post #133

YouTube's content policy is bizare. Children in my family seem to watch videos of Spiderman dry humping Elsa or grannies kicking people in the nuts, but then they remove stuff like this. I guess this is what happens when advertisers are the main priority and the moderators have all been replaced with robots. Content that may actually harm the development of children is considered fine, while someone posting a slightl…

YouTube will robot-moderate themselves into the ground. Too many people are leaving the platform. It’s just a trickle now but soon it will be a flow. It’s the inevitable result of moderation based only on who’s paying you.

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Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by MereInterest »

Karunamon wrote: post #119
colejohnson66 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The media companies made sure that’ll never happen again :/ That’s how we got ContentID: to prevent music and video piracy.

Something I never quite understood... couldn't Google have just said "no" and required them to submit DMCA takedowns? The law doesn't require the level of broken proactivity that Youtube has.

They absolutely could have, and have been entirely within the rules of the DMCA. My best guess is that the ContentID system is either (a) a bribe to get media companies to partner with youtube's paid streaming, or (b) a bribe to convince media companies that it isn't worth lobbying yet again for stronger copyright monopolies.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by superjan »

b3kart wrote: post #16
m_a_g wrote: post #4

>Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale. >Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong. Can't agree more.

The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Would that work with the current society's attention span? Is YouTube as we know it actually feasible without AI-based moderation? Can it be a sustainable business with an army of human moderators and/or a drastically reduced sc…

One problem is that there is a single process for all. Certain types of journalism and research should be able to ask for pre-approval of videos without risking a ban. The AI can still deal with the bulk of those requests.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by skybrian »

b3kart wrote: post #16
m_a_g wrote: post #4

>Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale. >Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong. Can't agree more.

The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Would that work with the current society's attention span? Is YouTube as we know it actually feasible without AI-based moderation? Can it be a sustainable business with an army of human moderators and/or a drastically reduced sc…

There are often problems with Reddit moderators, but at least you know who they are (sort of) and can talk to them. It seems like this there is a better relationship between moderators and a community when the moderators are part of the community, versus being an anonymous horde of interchangeable personnel.

(And of course there is Hacker News for another example, combining some automatic stuff with manual control.)

To get this at scale, though, it seems like you need a larger social network to be divided into many smaller ones in some logical way that’s understood by by everyone involved.

It seems like the inherent hierarchy (authors versus subscribers) and subdivision of Substack is likely to work out well for them.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by WhompingWindows »

b3kart wrote: post #16
m_a_g wrote: post #4

>Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale. >Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong. Can't agree more.

The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Would that work with the current society's attention span? Is YouTube as we know it actually feasible without AI-based moderation? Can it be a sustainable business with an army of human moderators and/or a drastically reduced sc…

Why not allow the majority of YTers with a legit posting history to post videos as they wish? You wouldn't have to wait days or weeks for these folks, they are trustworthy already. The vast majority of channels I care about wouldn't need moderation, they're hobbyists like woodworkers, musicians, etc. with dozens of posts already.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by throwawaysea »

m_a_g wrote: post #4

>Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale. >Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong. Can't agree more.

I think this is a distraction from the real problem, which is that YouTube censors/demonetizes/deplatforms videos at all. The problem is very widespread, ranging from censorship of political content to firearm videos to COVID related content. Most recently YouTube banned a panel held by the Florida governor with medical experts from Stanford and Harvard (https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2021/04/12/des...).

This is a company in the business of shaping political opinion and manufacturing narratives, not providing a neutral platform. Unless that fundamental issue is addressed, symptoms (like bad AI flagging) will continue to persist.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by 1cvmask »

AI is a great excuse for censorship. But many economic actors want censorship including the advertisers. So it seems more competition to Youtube is the only answer to censorship. But I don’t see any credible competition on the horizon to Youtube for a while.

The ultimate ironic censorship on the part of Youtube:

https://www.mintpressnews.com/media-censorship-conference-ce...

And the discussion thread:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26008217

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by coliveira »

b3kart wrote: post #16
m_a_g wrote: post #4

>Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale. >Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong. Can't agree more.

The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Would that work with the current society's attention span? Is YouTube as we know it actually feasible without AI-based moderation? Can it be a sustainable business with an army of human moderators and/or a drastically reduced sc…

Your question is: would a company based on youtube be hugely profitable without AI? Answer: probably not, but who cares other than the shareholders of Alphabet? I don't really think I should base my decisions about software based on how much the owners of the company are making.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

cl3misch wrote: post #129

Are we certain this was not because the vulnerability is called "KRACK" which is similar to the drug "crack"? Youtube has been very strict about such phrasing mishaps.

If your argument is it would be reasonable for you tube to automatically ban anything that could be a mention of crack cocaine we’re not going to find a lot of common ground on what is accidental moderation vs intentional censorship.
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