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Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

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Re: Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

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post #38

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Why shouldn't Iran have access to nuclear power, or nuclear weapons for that matter?

It is entitled to nuclear power (and indeed help from nuclear weapons states in developing that technology) under the terms of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty (to which it is a signatory). That is the same reason it is not entitled to nuclear weapons.

> is not entitled to nuclear weapons

But.... Why?

Why do some nations with weapons get to decided who else should and shouldn't have them?

If you subscribe to the MAD theory then every nation or organisation should have a stockpile and that would create world peace over night.

Re: Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

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"created: 19 minutes ago" You create an account to just post some political comments or to stir the hornet nest?

Nothing I said is controversial, if you want to read about Israel’s strong influence on US middle east policy, I suggest the seminal work by Meatsheimer and Walt.

Mearsheimer and Walt is nothing if not controversial!

Re: Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is entitled to nuclear power (and indeed help from nuclear weapons states in developing that technology) under the terms of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty (to which it is a signatory). That is the same reason it is not entitled to nuclear weapons.

> is not entitled to nuclear weapons But.... Why? Why do some nations with weapons get to decided who else should and shouldn't have them? If you subscribe to the MAD theory then every nation or organisation should have a stockpile and that would create world peace over night.

Because they're them and we're us!

Re: Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

#45
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is entitled to nuclear power (and indeed help from nuclear weapons states in developing that technology) under the terms of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty (to which it is a signatory). That is the same reason it is not entitled to nuclear weapons.

> is not entitled to nuclear weapons But.... Why? Why do some nations with weapons get to decided who else should and shouldn't have them? If you subscribe to the MAD theory then every nation or organisation should have a stockpile and that would create world peace over night.

Iran voluntarily signed up to the treaty and received various benefits for doing so in return for agreeing not to pursuing nuclear weapons capability (same as every other non-nuclear weapons state signatory).

Re: Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

#46

Could some ELI5 what's going on with Iran over last like 3 decades? why they're described like a dangerous country? why there are fights 24/7?

Presumably

A) They don't want to play economic ball with Uncle Sam.

B) The country can't be conquered by conventional means so can "act out" as much as they like.

C) They aren't really that bad, US propaganda is just really, really effective.

Re: Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

#47

how can any american or israeli support saying "stuxnet" in a normal way of conversation when it is a weapon used against another country with disastrous effects all the while latching on to "wiping israel off the map" which is something i'm told the guy didn't say.

For starters, because it's "might makes right" and double blatant standards all the way down.

Nothing particularly unique, for almost any empire in history has operated worked that way. Just as almost any empire eventually had to resort to increasingly more covert, corrupt and criminal enterprises to support itself. At some point, it inevitably will all come crashing down.

In the case of America, several generation will ask themselves how they could have been so dumb to let it get that far. No entirely fair, because their parents didn't really have the power to influence (let alone stop) any of it. Not without completely destroying the same system that also supported their way of life. Many people in the Soviet Union at some point knew at some point that the system was doomed, but nobody know how to change that reality for the better.

A lot can be learned from reading books written by Russians, about the collapse of the Soviet Union. Or books by Germans, after the end of World War II.

In fairness, it's hard to blame current day Americans for not clearly seeing what's going on, considering the level of cultural, institutionalized and commercial brainwashing (including deliberate division and diversion) that has been part of every aspect of life there, for decades (if not a century).

Still, there will come a day that Americans will have a rude awakening about reality and how those who run their country (be that government or private interests) have ruined their future and well being for a long time to come, just as the Russians and Germans once had.

Re: Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

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post #33

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Stupid question, but why isn’t it bombed (or all trucks coming/leaving targeted)? As far as I know, it is “illegal” (whatever the international equivalent is) to attempt to acquire the nuclear bomb. Which triggers the question, how did France obtain leniency from international powers when it gave the nuclear bomb to Israel in the 1960ies? Who decides what is legal? And who decides that Iran’s facility is not “slated…

It is only illegal if you signed the nuclear non prolifiration treaty. Anyway Iran with the bomb is a good thing if you don't want another war in the middle-east.

> It is only illegal if you signed the nuclear non prolifiration treaty.

Which Iran did.

Re: Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

#49

Could some ELI5 what's going on with Iran over last like 3 decades? why they're described like a dangerous country? why there are fights 24/7?

Presumably A) They don't want to play economic ball with Uncle Sam. B) The country can't be conquered by conventional means so can "act out" as much as they like. C) They aren't really that bad, US propaganda is just really, really effective.

What do you mean?

>B) The country can't be conquered by conventional means so can "act out" as much as they like.

Re: Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

#50
post #29

"Few nations like the idea of Iran enhancing its nuclear capabilities" Lol. No nation in over a decade likes this idea except for maybe North Korea. Sure Israel has always been the most vocal, but Iran having the bomb is an international liability. Even the Sunni Arabs stripes have changed. Common enemies make strange bedfellows. Also, the Iranians have been willing to flex against their neighbors more recently. See…

Why shouldn't Iran have access to nuclear power, or nuclear weapons for that matter?

Disclaimer: this is not an endorsement but a statement of fact.

There is no should or shouldn't. This is power, and those with power make, change, and break the rules as they wish.

Just consider that the US flagrantly violated the Iran deal, and nothing punitive happened.

Sure, there's an NPT on paper, and yes we have a far smaller stock pile of 4k nukes... but how can the US get away running nuclear tests in 1992, 30 years after an NPT which "obligates the nuclear weapons states to liquidate their nuclear stockpiles and pursue complete disarmament." How did the US pull off nuke research in 2003 or actually building new bombs in 2007? Why did no one else start pounding their chests demanding sanctions or IAEA inspectors?

Simple: The "rules" don't apply to the US or most major powers.

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