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Re: Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

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Post by ALittleLight » Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 9:15 AM UTC

michaelt wrote: post #16

totalZero wrote: post #3

Why does Iran announce these situations? Covering them up would seem more typical of a secretive nuclear program.

Most countries, if they could, would like to advance one narrative on the world stage and a separate one to their citizens. Perhaps this isn't aimed at us westerners - and instead it's aimed at Iranians. The message being "Yet more evidence that our country is under constant assault by the forces of evil who are threatened by our growing strength. They are the cause of any problems you see, support our homeland secur…

Except for the "evil" part, isn't that exactly what's happening?

Re: Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

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Post by ghostshell89 » Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 9:16 AM UTC

The Israelis have pretty much come out and said that they were responsible. They’re trying to sabatoge talks because Israel would collapse if it didn’t have an external enemy.

Re: Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

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Post by mike_d » Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 9:17 AM UTC

laurent92 wrote: post #12

effie wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't secret at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natanz#Nuclear_facility

Stupid question, but why isn’t it bombed (or all trucks coming/leaving targeted)? As far as I know, it is “illegal” (whatever the international equivalent is) to attempt to acquire the nuclear bomb. Which triggers the question, how did France obtain leniency from international powers when it gave the nuclear bomb to Israel in the 1960ies? Who decides what is legal? And who decides that Iran’s facility is not “slated…

> but why isn’t it bombed (or all trucks coming/leaving targeted)?

You mean like killing enough scientists who work at the facility that it ends up with its own Wikipedia article?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Iranian_nucle...

Re: Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

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Post by chefkoch » Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 9:18 AM UTC

laurent92 wrote: post #12

effie wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't secret at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natanz#Nuclear_facility

Stupid question, but why isn’t it bombed (or all trucks coming/leaving targeted)? As far as I know, it is “illegal” (whatever the international equivalent is) to attempt to acquire the nuclear bomb. Which triggers the question, how did France obtain leniency from international powers when it gave the nuclear bomb to Israel in the 1960ies? Who decides what is legal? And who decides that Iran’s facility is not “slated…

It isn't bombed because it's not that easy, as Iran has sophisticated anti aircraft capabilities like the S-300. And as the area is already a powder keg there is no deniability with aircrafts or cruise missiles flying across closely monitored borders.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Republic_of_Iran_Air...

Re: Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

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Post by ghostshell89 » Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 9:21 AM UTC

raducu wrote: post #20

laurent92 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stupid question, but why isn’t it bombed (or all trucks coming/leaving targeted)? As far as I know, it is “illegal” (whatever the international equivalent is) to attempt to acquire the nuclear bomb. Which triggers the question, how did France obtain leniency from international powers when it gave the nuclear bomb to Israel in the 1960ies? Who decides what is legal? And who decides that Iran’s facility is not “slated…

Why do you think it's not bombed? If it was that easy, Israel would have done it.

Its like Iraq, Israel sends the Americans to die en masse for their geopolitical goals. Iran is a formidable enemy and would be able to do significant damage with their missiles. Why risk it when your AIPAC buddies will get Americans to die for you?

Re: Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

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Post by redis_mlc » Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 9:24 AM UTC

chefkoch wrote: post #4

totalZero wrote: post #3

Why does Iran announce these situations? Covering them up would seem more typical of a secretive nuclear program.

At the end of the day the would like to have their sanctions removed in exchange for shutting down their nuclear program. And it also feeds the narrative of beeing the victim of the other states beeing the aggressors.

> they would like to have their sanctions removed in exchange for shutting down their nuclear program.

They would like to have their sanctions removed while keeping their nuclear program - there is no scenario where Iran will stop short of having ICBMs.

Re: Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

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Post by 2Gkashmiri » Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 9:27 AM UTC

how can any american or israeli support saying "stuxnet" in a normal way of conversation when it is a weapon used against another country with disastrous effects all the while latching on to "wiping israel off the map" which is something i'm told the guy didn't say.

Re: Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

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Post by FreshFries » Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 9:37 AM UTC

ghostshell89 wrote: post #25

raducu wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think it's not bombed? If it was that easy, Israel would have done it.

Its like Iraq, Israel sends the Americans to die en masse for their geopolitical goals. Iran is a formidable enemy and would be able to do significant damage with their missiles. Why risk it when your AIPAC buddies will get Americans to die for you?

"created: 19 minutes ago"

You create an account to just post some political comments or to stir the hornet nest?

Re: Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

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Post by fny » Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 9:41 AM UTC

"Few nations like the idea of Iran enhancing its nuclear capabilities"

Lol. No nation in over a decade likes this idea except for maybe North Korea. Sure Israel has always been the most vocal, but Iran having the bomb is an international liability.

Even the Sunni Arabs stripes have changed. Common enemies make strange bedfellows. Also, the Iranians have been willing to flex against their neighbors more recently. See the 2019 Abqaiq–Khurais attack.

My bet is that there's likely been a lot of international cooperation behind this and every other attempt. The Israelis likely take the blame to help others save face.

Consider the US/EU/Russians/Turks have called out Israelis after umpteen assassinations. No punitive actions have materialize.

Instead, trade has flourished with the aforementioned parties, and now we have the Abraham Accords, and the Saudi's might even open their door.

Re: Stuxnet sibling theory surges after Iran says nuke facility shut down

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Post by ghostshell89 » Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 9:42 AM UTC

FreshFries wrote: post #28

ghostshell89 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its like Iraq, Israel sends the Americans to die en masse for their geopolitical goals. Iran is a formidable enemy and would be able to do significant damage with their missiles. Why risk it when your AIPAC buddies will get Americans to die for you?

"created: 19 minutes ago" You create an account to just post some political comments or to stir the hornet nest?

Nothing I said is controversial, if you want to read about Israel’s strong influence on US middle east policy, I suggest the seminal work by Meatsheimer and Walt.