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Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by thefz »

natsup123490 wrote: post #716
kodah wrote: post #253

I had to type in this box more times than I'm willing to admit to produce something that didn't violate the guidelines. Let's examine why this is problematic: - This will absolutely be leveraged on anyone in a precarious position. It's their ultimate out. Minority groups, majority groups, it doesn't matter - you're in trouble and need a platform to tell your story? Not happening on Twitch. Expect more to sign on to t…

> I can't imagine staying in this country much longer. If you are serious about that statement, I encourage you just as I have encouraged all my family and close friends. I have never regretted leaving America. There are dozens of nicer countries to live in. However, tech platforms exert their dominance worldwide. Americans have made this a global problem. Most of my family and friends still feel like they don't need…

> However, tech platforms exert their dominance worldwide. Americans have made this a global problem.

No. Living in Europe, cancel culture, the woke inquisition and the minority culture wars are seen as a US only phenomenon. I could not be less touched and less interested by it.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by Rule35 »

stonogo wrote: post #838
listless wrote: post #786

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or burning down a police precinct. Or literally fire bombing federal buildings for MONTHS with virtually no consequences. And all the while politicians and media egg it on. The duplicity on the violence issue is both stunning and terrifying.

I dunno, I tend to regard property damage and murder to be different things. I have been surprised to see how many people disagree, and I'm still trying to understand that perspective.

In Portland protestors have clubbed police on the head with bats (and famously a wrench), tried to set the courthouse on fire, and tried to set the mayor's occupied apartment building on fire.

Attempted murder, and arson of occupied structures. Far worse than the capitol riot.

Also, who the violence was directed at. In DC most of the rioters were unarmed and fought with police. In Portland and LA many protestors were armed and fought passing citizens, attacked drivers, etc. Police don't "deserve" to be hit, but they sign up knowing that the job can get rough. Random old ladies protesting the vandalism of their building shouldn't be hit but the justice mobs feel free to hurt anyone.

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Post by ctdonath »

literallyWTF wrote: post #313
ctdonath wrote: post #289

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What insurrection?

Oh I don’t know, I think it was that mob of people who were spurred into literally storming the US Capitol building? Ya know, that mob that followed the beck and call of a man who still refuses to acknowledge the legitimacy and results of democratic election? Yeah I think that was the one...

Is this an insurrection: https://twitter.com/zerosum24/status/1380216557700284422?s=2... ? Happening now, same idea.

Of course not, just like the Jan 6 incident wasn’t. An insurrection involves intent to overthrow government, not merely protest.

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Post by ctdonath »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #328
ctdonath wrote: post #275

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There is no bright line between Facebook and Bob’s Forum.

There's no bright line between a wheelbarrow and a bulk freighter but even Hellen Keller could tell you they're very different.

When discussing enumerated rights, judicial “strict scrutiny” (to wit: bright line) applies.

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Post by sneak »

staticman2 wrote: post #929
sneak wrote: post #906

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> Yes, there definitely is. Food and shelter are vital to life. I seem to recall something about life liberty and happiness in some obscure little read part of the constitution. Let me know if you see it on a re-read. You are mistaken, and have confused the US declaration of independence (not a legal document, more of a philosophical one) with the US constitution (a binding legal document). I did a re-read to be sure…

There's no right to life in the constitution, either. If there was, the U.S. would not be able to execute criminals.

The declaration makes the foundational claim that the right to life (et c) is inherent in mankind regardless of the existence or opinions of the state or the written law.

It's a shame the constitution didn't incorporate it by reference, but the declaration clearly claims (philosophical) superiority over the (legal) constitution.

It still doesn't say anything about food vendors. :)

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by ctdonath »

loveistheanswer wrote: post #432
ctdonath wrote: post #275

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There is no bright line between Facebook and Bob’s Forum.

What do you mean "bright line"? The difference is plainly obvious, Bob's forum has 2,800,000,000 users

When discussing enumerated rights, judicial “strict scrutiny” (to wit: bright line) applies. For this case, you must explain why FB gets treated differently just because there are more users. I appreciate the “well duh” but that doesn’t justify adjudicating a suppression of rights for FB.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

meowface wrote: post #924
Dylan16807 wrote: post #771

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> Someone got in trouble for saying "America Deserved 9/11" which is a bit beyond a controversial political opinion. Why do you say that? I would definitely file that under controversial political opinion. That opinion isn't calling for another one, or saying that the individuals killed deserved it. Especially because he's saying it out of disappointment, not anger.

It's a difficult point, because it's very hard to say that without basically implying the people deserved to die. I disagree that it's not saying that. "The perpetrators' motives were rational, based on America's policies and actions" is one thing (which I happen to agree with), but anytime you start indirectly justifying civilian massacres, it's a slippery slope. "America" isn't just the government but also the set…

And all that nuance puts it overwhelmingly into opinion territory!

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Post by pc86 »

zouhair wrote: post #867
pc86 wrote: post #553

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Why though? They don't own Twitch. They didn't take any of the economic risk to start it. They're not on the hook for covering its server bills if revenue craters. If they wanted to put their money where their mouth is and buy a piece of the company proper, the current owners might be open to that, who knows. But you don't typically get to run a company you didn't start, haven't invested a dime in, and can walk away…

> They don't own Twitch. They didn't take any of the economic risk to start it. They're not on the hook for covering its server bills if revenue craters. And yet with all the money in the World Twitch will close doors if all streamers stop streaming. Twitch is literally nothing without the streamers.

Which they are free to do, but how does that entitle them to an ownership stake?

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Post by mlazos »

darepublic wrote: post #752
mlazos wrote: post #746

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Except if you went to chaz, it was actually fine and the news blatantly exaggerated reality for advertising $$

I'm sure it was mostly fine, in the same way if you stuck to certain places in the capital riots the majority of the people congregated were peaceful. The Chaz also usurped local businesses, there were plenty of firearms and at least five shootings. This is indisputable. Now you will say those are just bad apples, but you wouldn't give the same leniency to the capital riots would you. Also the leaders of the Chaz bar…

Call me biased but I happen to think that being at a “protest” that results in the storming of the Capitol during the tallying of electoral votes for our country’s leader is not equivalent to the occupation of a public park after a man was suffocated by a police officer. I happen to think that storming the seat of government is worse.. Chaz was two (maybe three square) blocks, and the news was acting like it was a country. Also absolutely nothing was stopping the police from doing their job, they literally abandoned a precinct which made zero sense at the time. I acknowledge there were shootings, but yeah like I said, I went there on multiple occasions and didn’t see a single firearm, but the news (both CNN and Fox) described checkpoints and anarchy when all I saw with my own eyes were art booths and a stage with speakers giving lectures.

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Post by junon »

natsup123490 wrote: post #716
kodah wrote: post #253

I had to type in this box more times than I'm willing to admit to produce something that didn't violate the guidelines. Let's examine why this is problematic: - This will absolutely be leveraged on anyone in a precarious position. It's their ultimate out. Minority groups, majority groups, it doesn't matter - you're in trouble and need a platform to tell your story? Not happening on Twitch. Expect more to sign on to t…

> I can't imagine staying in this country much longer. If you are serious about that statement, I encourage you just as I have encouraged all my family and close friends. I have never regretted leaving America. There are dozens of nicer countries to live in. However, tech platforms exert their dominance worldwide. Americans have made this a global problem. Most of my family and friends still feel like they don't need…

I moved to Berlin. Quality of life improved from not being in the US in and of itself.

Can confirm. Grass definitely is greener.

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