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Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by asah »

newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

medium-large is not the same as dominant, where users don't have a choice but to engage, e.g. to be competitive in their industry.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by loveistheanswer »

ctdonath wrote: post #275
andybak wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that works up to a certain scale but it's insufficient if you're Facebook or Twitter. Now - is Twitch more like those or is it more like "Bob's Forum"?

There is no bright line between Facebook and Bob’s Forum.

What do you mean "bright line"?

The difference is plainly obvious, Bob's forum has 2,800,000,000 users

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by AzzieElbab »

thomaslangston wrote: post #349
AzzieElbab wrote: post #206

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"he was banned for inciting violence against the terms of those platforms" So technically Trump should be un-banned after claims of incitement were contested and disproved in congress, right?

"There is no question that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of that day." -Mitch McConnell

You and I and McConnell might agree, but the congress didnt. Moreover, Trump was calling for everyone to chill when he got banned, which to me indicates really bad risk management on behalf of twitter and fb. They risked further escalation to avoid responsibility.

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Post by onethought »

weird-eye-issue wrote: post #377
rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #358

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In a way you have affirmed parent’s point: it’s the shareholders’ website, and they can mod it as they wish.

You just completely missed the point. Everyone knows who's website it is and that they "can" mod it as they wish. But at a certain scale some moral and ethical questions come into play.

Isn’t this just like other sports, where a star is pilloried for some indiscretion outside of their sport which can result in them being dropped from a team etc?

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Post by AbrahamParangi »

tw04 wrote: post #111
redm wrote: post #8

"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

So you want the government to force private companies to continue doing business with someone they no longer wish to provide services to? We aren't talking protected class here, we're talking private companies picking and choosing who to do business with via non-discriminatory means. That's called a free market. Will they be restored if they're proven innocent? Maybe. Maybe not. Again, that's called a free market.

You said it yourself though, the market isn't completely free, and this is widely believed to be a good thing.

You cannot discriminate against me because you don't like where I come from. You cannot discriminate against me because of my race.

Some people believe these protections should generally be extended to beliefs or political tribes or other forms of identification.

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Post by dkarras »

ImprovedSilence wrote: post #387
jcranmer wrote: post #361

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For people who are saying "but losing Twitch kills your career": In the entertainment industry in general , facing repercussions (including being unable to get any gigs whatsoever) for your actions outside of direct involvement in entertainment has long been the norm. There are several recent examples that people attribute to cancel culture, but the problem goes all the way back at least as far as the 1940s (see the…

You are using the mcarthy blacklist as precedent for banning peoples ability to participate in a social setting. As far as im concerned, since forever that has been used as a reason to question and challenge censorship.

I own Twitch. Can't I just shut it down if I wanted? Or should I be forced to stay open after becoming really popular because shutting it down would prevent millions of people's participation in a social setting?

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Post by hallway_monitor »

Jonnax wrote: post #403
Alupis wrote: post #259

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I wonder if you're confusing public debate and a vocal minority with actual bans of things? I'm not aware of any actually banned video games in the US, for instance. We should talk about those things in public - and not everyone will agree. That's how it's supposed to be. It's brand new, however, to wield the power to literally cut off your political enemies from more than half of the population with a single click o…

Some schools banned Harry Potter in America. Also this article states that Twitch that the misconduct is this: "It said examples of this “severe misconduct” include terrorist activities, child sexual exploitation, violent extremism, credible threats of mass violence, carrying out or deliberately acting as an accomplice to sexual assault and threatening Twitch or its staff." Which one of these are just political opini…

Well, they already call out terrorist activities, which makes me wonder what "violent extremism" refers to. Maybe something as simple as taking a hard line against abortion and peacefully holding a sign outside a clinic could be considered violently extreme?

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Post by cosmodisk »

rootusrootus wrote: post #368
omgwtfbbq wrote: post #359

>How different is that from at-will employment though? You can be fired at any time and for more or less any non-federally-protected reason (and can quit any time too). That seems pretty uncontroversial in the US at least. Most Europeans would be horrified by this concept so I'm not sure it supports your argument.

> Most Europeans would be horrified by this concept But they'd be really happy to earn the same level of income.

There are a few bubbles in the US,where people make way more than in Europe: SV, Some finance jobs on the Wall Street, maybe the oil industry. That's about it. Outside of those, it's more or less the same like in Europe, minus safety net and holiday. There are pros and cons on each side of the pond,no doubt, but in my opinion, the US is probably better suited for those with a very high income,while an average person is better off in Europe.

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Post by _jal »

anamexis wrote: post #420
_jal wrote: post #414

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> a Twitch ban is effectively a ban on all opportunities that involve money in the esports scene. I suggest you ask Colin Kaepernick about how it is in the non-'E' sports world. (Edit: misspelled name)

I assume you mean Colin Kaepernick.

Thanks.

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Post by rodgerd »

fX0rObfoMN4 wrote: post #50
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #13

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> we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty" For a platform like Twitch, this is fine. They have a brand. They’re akin to a modern television channel, and television has always been this ruthless. There are lots of other streaming sites.

If someone who stream on Twitch does something bad off of Twitch, would people blame Twitch for that? I know I wouldn't.

The context is that the last six months or so have been a shitstorm of prominent streamers caught in various forms of grooming, sexual assault, and so on. Much of this has happened off-Twitch, but it's certainly affected the reputation of Twitch to be associate with such.

It's no different to the owners of M:TG banning people for serious misconduct, for example.

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