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Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by bilbo0s »

jcranmer wrote: post #361
newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

For people who are saying "but losing Twitch kills your career": In the entertainment industry in general , facing repercussions (including being unable to get any gigs whatsoever) for your actions outside of direct involvement in entertainment has long been the norm. There are several recent examples that people attribute to cancel culture, but the problem goes all the way back at least as far as the 1940s (see the…

It's not only entertainment.

You behave badly in a bar or restaurant as a doctor for instance, your hospital or clinic will fire you and good luck getting a job anywhere else.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by babesh »

newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

Why stop at websites? Why shouldn't airlines, hotels, banks, apartments, stores, and private universities ban whoever they like? How about creating a rule banning people who dye their hair blue?

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by Jonnax »

Alupis wrote: post #259
Jonnax wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I find it hilarious that American conservatives who have for decades been advocates of silencing people for things like being against wars, sex/violence in music/film/video games, and homosexuality, are now campaigning on being victims of the "cancel culture" they themselves have advocated for.

I wonder if you're confusing public debate and a vocal minority with actual bans of things? I'm not aware of any actually banned video games in the US, for instance. We should talk about those things in public - and not everyone will agree. That's how it's supposed to be. It's brand new, however, to wield the power to literally cut off your political enemies from more than half of the population with a single click o…

Some schools banned Harry Potter in America.

Also this article states that Twitch that the misconduct is this:

"It said examples of this “severe misconduct” include terrorist activities, child sexual exploitation, violent extremism, credible threats of mass violence, carrying out or deliberately acting as an accomplice to sexual assault and threatening Twitch or its staff."

Which one of these are just political opinions?

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by gambiting »

rootusrootus wrote: post #368
omgwtfbbq wrote: post #359

>How different is that from at-will employment though? You can be fired at any time and for more or less any non-federally-protected reason (and can quit any time too). That seems pretty uncontroversial in the US at least. Most Europeans would be horrified by this concept so I'm not sure it supports your argument.

> Most Europeans would be horrified by this concept But they'd be really happy to earn the same level of income.

That's a really shitty argument though. Would I be happy to earn $100k a year? Sure I would. Would I give up my 28 days of paid holidays per year, unlimited sick leave, year long maternity leave, free healthcare, free education for my children, and yes, 3 months of notice that gives me incredible amount of stability in my life for that higher pay? Absolutely not. At will employment is an abomination of the American employment system just like a lot of other things about that country. High salaries don't make up for it in the slightest.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by rodgerd »

CBLT wrote: post #352
newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

To add a little extra context to what other people are giving you: large, million-dollar digital tournaments stream on Twitch because they have no other choice if they want to reach viewers. ESL signed a deal with Facebook streaming that destroyed their viewership numbers because people go to Twitch to watch, not the website for the tournament. Organizers have clearly seen this and will not move their stream to anoth…

Well, then eSports stars are getting to be just like regular sports stars.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by commandlinefan »

newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

> Here are some clear rules

That will change arbitrarily and become more and more vague over time as the people you ideologically disagree with become better at obeying the "letter of the law".

But you're right, it's your website, and (at least for now) somebody else is free to start up a competing website that picks up the users you're throwing away.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

enjoythecode wrote: post #375
shadowfox wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How different is that from at-will employment though? You can be fired at any time and for more or less any non-federally-protected reason (and can quit any time too). That seems pretty uncontroversial in the US at least.

There are thousands of other employers you can apply to and work for. You'll be unemployed in the short term, but getting fired isn't catastrophic long-term, for the most part. The parallel doesn't really exist for Twitch. Other than perhaps YouTube, are there any platforms that would get you anywhere close to the pool of potential users on Twitch?

It's a good thing that there are 10.75 million employers in the United States.

It has a little something for everyone.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

Retric wrote: post #372
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no bright line between a wheelbarrow and a bulk freighter but even Hellen Keller could tell you they're very different.

There are several bright lines like having an engine.

That's not a really bright line

https://www.homedepot.com/p/YARDMAX-Powered-Wheelbarrow-YD41...

Having a crew isn't a bright line either since two people will often manhandle a single heavy wheelbarrow.

The brightest line is probably that a bulk freighter floats. Still it's a series of small incremental changes all the way from wheelbarrow to mining dump truck (then there's some lines you cross before you get to a bulk freighter) though which IMO still illustrates my point.

We're kind of nit picking here though.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by [deleted] »

jcranmer wrote: post #361
newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

For people who are saying "but losing Twitch kills your career": In the entertainment industry in general , facing repercussions (including being unable to get any gigs whatsoever) for your actions outside of direct involvement in entertainment has long been the norm. There are several recent examples that people attribute to cancel culture, but the problem goes all the way back at least as far as the 1940s (see the…

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