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Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by kayodelycaon »

luckylion wrote: post #224
j-pb wrote: post #133

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I heavily suspect that it's overdiagnosed in the US, but heavily underdiagnosed in the EU. I have adult ADHD, and even though I tried to get help when I was turning 20 and started to fail university (I had an average of 1.3 for the classes that I did finnish, I just couldn't commit to anything) it took me 3 years until I got a diagnosis (due to ridiculously long waiting times for doctors appointments). In the end I o…

> due to ridiculously long waiting times for doctors appointments This is amazing to me. I've never seen as bad of a situation as with neurologists/psychiatrists. I called some a while ago and it was essentially either "we don't do any new patients" or "yeah, we have a wait list, if a spot opens up, we'll call everyone and the first person to answer gets it; expect it to take half a year though". Unless it's an emerg…

It took me two months to get an appointment with a psychiatrist. Many of them never returned calls. I had to leave a lot of voice mails while having severe anxiety using phones.

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by hereme888 »

So this is basically Viloxazine, a drug no longer sold because it was unprofitable as an antidepressant, and now repurposed as a non-stimulant drug for ADHD.

It appears to be cardiotoxic, working like a Tricyclic Antidepressant (TCA), yet less so than imipramine.

It works by increasing levels of norepinephrine, altering some serotonin transmission, and maybe reducing some neurotransmitter release in the frontal cortex by increasing certain GABA receptors.

I wonder how well this drug will work in real life for children with ADHD...time will tell, and psychiatrists will give us their opinion.

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by Leparamour »

runawaybottle wrote: post #211
iovrthoughtthis wrote: post #203

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> I generally believe that the way behavioral patterns emerge is not instant, not everything is a habit, some behaviours are impulsive or context driven. lets say that habits take time to form though. > and therefore the way you get out cannot be instant. this is only true if breaking a habit, is also a habit. i don’t not certain this is always true. lets ask, what is a habit? since this is an async convo i will answ…

Hey I never ran a day in my life. I found out if I take steroids I can jump start my running in 3 months. Turns out I’m a great runner, so I must have been a great runner all this time and just need a therapeutic dose of steroids to show that I had chemical deficiency that easily solved it. Now life is much more fair for me. Look, once your life depends on a decision you know was a trade off (you feel entitled to wha…

>And the last thing I want to add is, you won’t have fun doing any of the above stuff. It’s never going to be fun and it never is fun for anyone. The only joy you’ll get is at the very end when you succeed.

You still haven't understood the perspective of people with ADHD. They know all of this intellectually (and depending on age) they have tried more systems, mental models, techniques, strategies, tricks and hacks than you can ever imagine.

This is not something that you can "tough your way" through, or all of this being harsh on myself would have amounted to something.

Your example, with reading just one word a day and the compound effect of repeating that behaviour regularly, hinges on some "axiom" that one will just stick to a habit. With ADHD you just "forget" to read that one word, no matter how many post-its you stick on the monitor or mirror. At best you cycle back to the "word" every few weeks without making progress, like treading water.

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by runawaybottle »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #108
rgifford wrote: post #101

If you're considering taking drugs for ADHD or giving them to your child, I highly recommend reading into Fen-Phen (1) and other popular, contested drugs. Fen-Phen was a drug marketed to housewives in the 70s that promised weight loss and increased energy. My grandma suffered heart issues later in life due to it. It's since had 13B in settlements brought against it. Purdue Pharma will likely see 10B+ in settlements b…

Increasing dosage to feel consistent management is normal for ADHD patients. The goal is to reach the highest dosage that doesn’t cause side effects. This is where we actually get consistent relief from some of our symptoms. The reality about ADHD and self medication and substance abuse is that it’s untreated patients who experience it the worst. If your friends who’ve talked about this with you are anything like me,…

What you may not believe is that you are no longer in control of wanting to get more. That’s the reality of a drug.

Anyway, have the paranoid episodes hit you yet? Give it some time, I see the anxiety is already consistent.

Just be sure to manage your drug holidays and control tolerance.

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by foxhop »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #213
atat7024 wrote: post #141

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How do none of the intelligent people replying to you/on this board have no love for CBD flower ground up and heated in a little vaporizor a few times throughout the day for chronic anxiety?

My friend uses CBD oil under the tongue, and it does seem to help.

I've not tried isolated CBD oil for Anxiety but I reach for both:

copaiba oil and frankincense oil

As needed under tongue and they seem to help almost immediately.

Worth checking out.

Also magnesium pills help too but affects me the same way as benedryl and makes me very sleepy so I try to take that only if I have time for a nap or bed.

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by hackflip »

iovrthoughtthis wrote: post #174

i am so surprised that, for a community of people that see themselves so rational, there are so many who effectively deny the existence of adhd. i cant help but observe that this might be because it flys in the face of the common western ideal of “anyone can do anything if you just work hard enough” and that many of our identities are tied to that shared belief.

I don't deny the existence of it, but I'm uncomfortable with the idea of drugging children because they won't sit still while being lectured to for 5+ hours a day.

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by patentatt »

runawaybottle wrote: post #19
nerdbaggy wrote: post #17

Seems that lots of people only think ADHD people have a hard time paying attention. If it was that simple I would be so happy. Here are just a few of the things I struggle with. - Will power. People with ADHD struggle sooooo much with will power. It’s a constant struggle with everything in life and really wears you down. - Constantly putting on a fake front pretending you don’t have ADHD. - Rejection sensitivity - Fe…

None of you ever want to hear it, but everyone goes through this. It’s the human condition. I’m an addict, and I’ve just justified with Herculean levels of mental gymnastics to keep abusing drugs/alcohol. There’s nothing you can say to me, I will convince myself it’s fine. Edit: I spent most of my youth playing video games for 5+ hours daily. I had zero work ethic. It caught up to me and I worked hard to fix it, and…

This right here is the very worst thing about ADHD. All those people pointing out that they also have trouble with some of those things some of the time and therefore ADHD isn’t real and you don’t have it. So then you have to explain to those people why they’re wrong, but a tiny little part of your brain holds on to what they said, and the next time you really are having a hard time with tour ADHD that little part says ‘it’s not real and you’re just a terrible human for having these problems.’ Built up over a lifetime, especially during formative years, the secondary, knock-on effects are actually much worse than the actual underlying condition. So thanks runawaybottle, for very subtly making thousands of peoples lives slightly worse today.

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Post by lfowles »

herbst wrote: post #175
astrange wrote: post #164

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> On the topic of Ritalin and Adderall, lots of my friends found they had to increase their dosage to see consistent effects. They are not addictive at normal doses but there can be tolerance depending on your diet. This is actually pretty easy to treat - get a lot more magnesium and try NAC as well. (Vyvanse's effectiveness actually seriously depends on how acidic your diet is. If you take a dose with orange juice i…

By the same logic cocaine in small doses would not be addictive. I can tell you that everything that manipulates your dopamin levels can lead to some kind of addiction. Plus you have actual withdraw symptoms from amphetamines too.

It's so weird to keep hearing that prescription doses of these drugs are addictive. I regularly forget to take them until it's too late in the day and if I took them I would have trouble sleeping... :/

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by lfowles »

Kirth wrote: post #229
geoduck14 wrote: post #105

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I've been on Adderall for almost 30 years, and I'm not seeing any heart issues.

Hi! I'm glad you're doing well on your medication. Can I ask, what have you done to make any possible issues visible? I've heard a few scary stories from people about long-term adderall usage weakening their heart muscle but they are/were not particularly healthy individuals

I'm not sure how treatment plans vary, but I'm required to have medication checkups with a doctor every 3 months and a yearly EKG & blood panel.
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