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The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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It's not that simple. You're falling prey to a common misrepresentation of EU regulations. They were all initially very complex, sometimes looking almost absurd, because they were comprised and based on the bilaterial treaties and regulations of 28 member states. The EU then gradually simplified the regulation over the years. You'd think that simple combinatorics would make people understand the benefits of this proc…

Except i'm not. I'm stating that whatever regulations the EU could have made didn't have to involve banning anything, or indeed taking any power whatsoever from the national governments. If the purpose was to facilitate trade, the way to do it is by providing information to those who want to trade, not by banning them from doing so.

You still don't understand. The initial regulations were almost always directly derived from the individual regulations of the member countries and bilateral treaties from them. If they banned e.g. a certain form of trade, then that's because some member countries vigorously opposed to these kind of trades and e.g. block with a veto.

Of course, you can always lament that certain countries blocked certain trades - acting on their national interests instead of the interests of the trade union as a whole.

What you cannot claim is that a system with bilateral treaties between 28 would in any way offer an advantage in terms of the complexity of the regulations. This claim is just nonsense. You can look almost anywhere you like and will find that the EU regulations have simplified trade tremendously over the years. Unfortunately, writing articles about how simpler trade among member states has become is less popular than writing another article about the ridiculous initial regulations which were derived from the existing trade regulations of the member countries.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Germany is hilariously behind other EU nations in regards to internet access and connection speed. After plans for FTTH got scrapped in 1983 (!!) Germany is still using copper telephone lines for the vast majority of its internet users. While fiber is slowing being deployed there are still voices that oppose it because it's "too expensive". There are still entire industry areas connected over a single 50/10 MBit DSL…

> While fiber is slowing being deployed there are still voices that oppose it because it's "too expensive". Former trench digger as a sub for the Telekom here. It is extremely expensive to build out fibre trenches - rural areas simply because of the vast distances and the comparatively few users and urban areas because the underground area is filled meaning you can't use excavators below 20cm depth and have to do eve…

> Former trench digger as a sub for the Telekom here. It is extremely expensive to build out fibre trenches - rural areas simply because of the vast distances and the comparatively few users and urban areas because the underground area is filled meaning you can't use excavators below 20cm depth and have to do everything by hand.

If Romania can do it, with much of the same restrictions in place, but a lot less money available, Germany for sure could do it.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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> In London I was limited to 80mbps copper cable, but since moving to a European city I now have gigabit fibre for around the same price (and 10 gigabit is available too for a small extra.) That's probably not because it's a "European city", but because it's a city in some specific European country. The UK has similar average broadband speeds compared to e.g. Germany.

Germany does poorly compared to the rest of the EU, so that's not an indicative comparison. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/sep/02/uk-broadb...

Sure, my point is: if EU-membership was a deciding factor in availability of high speed broadband, as the OP implied, you'd see high speeds in Germany (and you would've seen a large drop in broadband speeds when the UK exited). It's obviously not, it's a national policy decision that countries make but has nothing to do with being a member of the EU or not.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Here is the actual list of myths with some text on each one. [1] This gets posted on HN a lot, but sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who actually clicks through and reads the debunking? Only about a 30 - 40% are actually false (eg. "No EU plan to ban Union Flag from British meat packs"), the majority are true, and the "debunking" takes the form of explaining why it's a good thing (eg. "EC plan to ban noisy toys", " EU to ban powerful vaccuum cleaners"), or there are no facts involved at all and they try to debunk someones opinion ("EU does not favour criminals over victims").

Also popular is distinction without a difference. The classic banana myth is one of these - No they don't ban vegetables with the wrong dimensions, they just put them in a lower quality class that no supermarkets will buy.

[1] https://wayback.archive-it.org/11980/20191004103218/https://...

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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If it would be EU sponsored NGO doing this, you would argue it's a department of truth proxy wouldn't you?

Of course. I assume there are concerned citizens in the EU can do this. Why does the government need to get involved in this?

You're being silly. To take an extreme scenario, if the KGB is financing entities spouting non-sense in various publications, you expect the US/CIA to just take it lying down? :-)

It's part of intelligence/counter-intelligence, you have to control the narrative because the average citizen isn't well informed enough and will just end up believing what the other party tells them... because they're the only ones saying anything.

Private individuals can do this, but governments have been doing this too, since the beginning of time (and of governments).

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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The TV show "Yes, Minister" was a truly amazing show because of the brilliant writing, and how humorously it could speak the truth: Sir Humphrey Appleby: The Foreign Office is pro-Europe because it’s really anti-Europe. The civil service was united in its desire to make sure that the Common Market didn’t work. That’s why we went into it. Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least 500 years: to cre…

> The TV show "Yes, Minister"

The entire show is a jewel.

Highly recommended.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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I can't believe official government resources are designated to this kind of stuff. It sounds authoritarian to me. No matter how you disprove the selected "euromyths". This action itself just directly prove the broader point: EU has an overarching government. Wow. Got tons of downvotes. By the end of the day, the simple logic is that the false reports do not hurt truthful reports. If the truthful reports prove their…

> No matter how you disprove the selected "euromyths". This action itself just directly prove the broader point: EU has an overarching government.

The EU can only do what its member state government delegate to it, and the same EU also has a fraction of the employees a regular state government has. France has about 65 million citizens and about 2 million state employees.

The entire EU has something like 50k employees, for the whole group of 450 million people.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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There is nothing authoritarian about dispelling myths. These were not about opinions, they concerned literally false claims about EU directives and regulations.

Selectively taking incorrect statements from one side is a way of technically being truthful while pushing one sided information, i.e. it's propaganda.

At least be fair about it. It's counter propaganda.

The garbage thrown about by those British publications is propaganda. Day in, day out, from many-many more publications, not just a puny web page.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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I could give you tons of bogus euromyths, but this is a legit complaint. How about "overprotecting children by closing down playgrounds is evil"?

It might be a legit complaint, but one that has nothing to do with the EU. The EU simply doesn't make safety standards for playgrounds.

You'd be surprised...

https://www.cen.eu/news/brochures/brochures/CEN-CLC_Child-Sa...

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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If you and your competitors have exclusive suppliers, you’ll want your competition to have their suppliers banned while your suppliers are favored.

Well that sounds like a bad reason not a good one!

Why do you think companies spend millions with candidate donations and lobbyists?
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