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The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Am I missing something? There is a huge list, which are rebuked here or somewhere. But where exactly? edit: additionally, needs 2018 in the title?

https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/ I think it should be here, but it seems broken for me atm Edit: https://wayback.archive-it.org/11980/20200131192225/https://... This one works

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Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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This is equivalent to the “victor” of a conflict writing history. Ideally, this stuff should show the original statement, their sources and a critique, then potentially a rebuttal. So often, political coverage contains outright lies or mischaracterized truths from both sides. Take in recent news the “hunter biden laptop”. A senate subcommittee documented it appeared legitimate (a quick search finds this https://www.h…

The issue with presenting both sides is that one of the sides, much like whoever wrote these “myths”, is not actually engaging in honestly presenting a possibly valid representation of reality.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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It doesn’t seem to show which publications these were in. Some of these headlines only show up in this article itself, when I Google for them. Without knowing what the sources are and what the articles say, there is no way to make sense of this list.

British tabloids Daily Mail, The Sun, Daily Express, The Telegraph, FT etc. a cocktail of toxic trash

The Telegraph and the Financial Times are not tabloids.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I never consult the world news section of big name media publications Just curious, why not?

My guess is they “just don’t trust it” without a reason. This type of person never has a reason, they just parrot what they’ve heard without thinking critically.

In general, I find it useful to watch biased news, when you know who they're biased towards and why. It gives you interesting signals as to what various groups want you to think.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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>Broadband speeds, red tape – EU red tape force down broadband speeds, May 2016 I know all of these are nonsense, but this one is particularly funny to me. In London I was limited to 80mbps copper cable, but since moving to a European city I now have gigabit fibre for around the same price (and 10 gigabit is available too for a small extra.)

> In London I was limited to 80mbps copper cable, but since moving to a European city I now have gigabit fibre for around the same price (and 10 gigabit is available too for a small extra.)

That's probably not because it's a "European city", but because it's a city in some specific European country. The UK has similar average broadband speeds compared to e.g. Germany.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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> Other stories include speculation that curved bananas are to be banned It’s acting not so far fetched as there was an actual regulation for this: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Regulation_(EC)_No....

Not really - there's a difference between stipulating that one class of banana be "free from deformation or abnormal curvature[1]" (if it weren't said banana would be Class II and still legal) and declaring the EU is banning curved bananas. It's just as dishonest as when someone like Andy Ngo sees "Alcohol Restricted Zone" signs in an area of the UK that had a substantial muslim minority population, then reporting that the UK has areas governed by sharia law.

Both are examples of extremely deliberately dishonest retelling of something that originated in something true (that there exist both quality control regulations for fruit, and signs reminding you that street drinking is not permitted) which were blown up into something ridiculous for attention and to stoke mistrust and hatred of something each journalist disliked personally.

[1] - Also as an aside I am sure that while "abnormally curved" is a term that seems vague to us, those who actually deal with importing and selling bananas will have a good understanding what would fall under this.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I never consult the world news section of big name media publications Just curious, why not?

My guess is they “just don’t trust it” without a reason. This type of person never has a reason, they just parrot what they’ve heard without thinking critically.

And here you are "guessing" that they don't have a reason. Sounds like you are just making blanking statements without a reason as well.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I never consult the world news section of big name media publications Just curious, why not?

Most of the times for developing stories, I like getting the full picture after consulting multiple local sources rather than getting my worldview from the vantage point of international correspondents.

Thanks for clarifying your point.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing authoritarian about dispelling myths. These were not about opinions, they concerned literally false claims about EU directives and regulations.

Lol. EU doesn't have NGO can do this? The government has to be the one to run the Truth department?

But what exactly is authoritarian about this? It's not like this is the only truth?

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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post #20

>Broadband speeds, red tape – EU red tape force down broadband speeds, May 2016 I know all of these are nonsense, but this one is particularly funny to me. In London I was limited to 80mbps copper cable, but since moving to a European city I now have gigabit fibre for around the same price (and 10 gigabit is available too for a small extra.)

> In London I was limited to 80mbps copper cable, but since moving to a European city I now have gigabit fibre for around the same price (and 10 gigabit is available too for a small extra.) That's probably not because it's a "European city", but because it's a city in some specific European country. The UK has similar average broadband speeds compared to e.g. Germany.

Germany is hilariously behind other EU nations in regards to internet access and connection speed. After plans for FTTH got scrapped in 1983 (!!) Germany is still using copper telephone lines for the vast majority of its internet users.

While fiber is slowing being deployed there are still voices that oppose it because it's "too expensive". There are still entire industry areas connected over a single 50/10 MBit DSL connection. A company I applied to a few years ago was very proud to tell me that they had just had upgraded their connection from 3/0.3 MBit to 16/1 MBit. This company had 70 employees at that time and was located at the outskirts of a city with >300.000 citizens.

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